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| MY OPINION : THESE CLOWNS don't deserve OUR VOTE !!! |
“Whose state is failing” sure dude sure, they are only like 30% of america's GDP or whatever the figure is, so they are deffo failing.."
REGARDLESS of the Debate , (1)>>I will not vote for DeSantis or Newsom . It’s irrelevant that Newsom isn’t running for president. He showed up to the debate, which was about measuring his policies against DeSantis’s. The migration thing may be overstated by some conservatives, but it is a thing. Factors like high cost of living, lack of affordable housing, income inequality etc are contributing to issues like migration and homelessness. These are things libs should care about and that Newsom should have been able to address in the debate. I didn’t hear him give the explanation you did for gas prices either. I think you’re probably correct: gas in CA is more expensive and is taxed at a higher rate both to incentivize shifts to EVs and to generate revenue for the govt to provide social safety nets. I would have liked Newsom to explain that tho. They are are both of the same kind of politics that makes me sick of Washington D.C. right now .People crave leaders they can trust, who keep it real, but that's not what we got. As one example, it's disingenuous to say crime is going down in CA. No matter how you manipulate the data, people don't feel safe. We can't address the problem until we acknowledge it. “Newsom is a piece of cardboard” after DeSantis brings “the thunder.”That about sums it up. Every repub (2)>>I discussed the debate with initially tried to defend Desantis, but eventually said he sucks. Newsom wasn’t there to answer debate questions about California, he was there to make sure everyone knew how awful Desantis is. WE ALL KNOW CALIFORNIA is a SCREWED UP MESS Newsom had no skin in the game. He could not even defend his policies in California . Why would a presidential wannabe debate a governor not even running for president? Newsom is playing some game in the center stage of American politics , perhaps he is a big distraction. His cartoonishly creepy “smile” when Newsom is talking is enough to turn off most voters. My biggest take from this was:Newsom was prepared and held his own well even with Hannity jumping in and making it a 2v1. He had facts off his mind ready and even with some of his non-answers, he made sure to tell America why DeSantis sucks.DeSantis looked and sounded nervous all night and outside of his map and pocket porn, had nothing factual to add (even though those 2 things are subjective) until Hannity put up some graphics and they teamed on Newsom. So that's sort of an interesting phenomenon. When DeSenatis announced his run for president, it lead to a sort of schism in the trump movement. Primarily by those who thought DeSantis would be a good VP.But ever since their fights started, it's actually lead to an overall decrease in the dumbfuck bridges flags. Because those who thought they could run together are split, and those who support DeSantis generally don't support trump now.I won't pretend that it's going to change their overall voting behavior. Because it won't. But at least for many of us here, it's a marked decrease vocal dumbfuckery.This debate is so odd.Conservative subs say Desantis did great, liberal subs say Newsom won easily. I watched it and thought both performed rather poorly and looked like actors pretending to be politicians. it was all so weird to me and Im not sure how anyone came out on top besides maybe Fox. Newsom appeared to dodge on things like gas price and migration out of CA.Because he’s not running for president. The migration thing isn’t a thing. Gas price is what it is. California gas prices are typical of Europe gas prices because that’s what is needed to pay for everything that California offers. Neither is a debate point.Each side always think they dominated. Depending on the lean of the source they’ll report how ____ (3)>>DOMINATED their opponent. These debates aren’t swaying anyone over anything, especially with two people who are fighting for a VP spot at best.Democrats see Republican voters as misinformed. Republicans see Democratic voters as evil. Newsom would hurt his image by attacking Republican voters, while DeSantis would probably be cheered in for attacking Democratic voters.At some point coverage from the debate of him dunking on Ron will die down. At some point Ron will lose or drop out the election. Then what? The fact that the press isn’t that interested in California is still waiting for Newsom. The term east coast bias exist for a reason. I get the feeling that the press is letting him fill the void until the press find their guy. After the 2024 election the press will make clear who they want to be in the 2028 race. The coverage they give the said person or people isn’t going to be limited to giving his or her or their opinion of another state. DeSantis should never have tried running for President, it exposed just how much of a wet blanket the guy is on a national level. And Newsom is a SLY grease ball .
NOTES AND COMMENTS :(1)>>I will not vote for DeSantis or Newsom . Its pretty obvious what Newsom was doing here, he was torpedoing DeSantis' political career. He didn't give a damn what Fox News people think about California, he was constantly bringing up DeSantis' contradictions with Trump's policies and how other Republicans called him out. He's making sure that DeSantis' dying political campaign stays dead. He set the tone right from the start when he said "one thing we both have in common, neither of us will be a nominee for president".In 3 months from now or less, DeSantis will be dropped out of the Republican primary. Newsom gets to claim some credit for aiding in the DeSantis campaign demise, and the cachet within the Democratic party for being a Biden team player, to utilize in the future either for his own national run or an influential voice in the party in deciding who should be elevated and backed.It was hard to tell if Newsom was debating desantis or hannity, it was probably both. The framing of these questions were clearly partisan, they wouldn't touch topics like home insurance or how in Florida they're approving prager U material for classrooms. The charts that hannity was showing were an easy Google for totally different data than was shown. This was an attempt at a 2 hour long gotcha and Newsom managed to navigate it. People who know the facts know that this was partisan hackery, those who didn't were regular fox news viewers. Honestly though... someone needs to do a full fact check run down of this debate, i think it would be enlightening.(2)>>I discussed the debate with initially tried to defend Desantis, but eventually said he sucks. DeSantis got his reputation as a "culture warrior" , and " anti-woke" Governor . The REALITY he has done good things are far as fighting for the rights of parents against public schools indoctrinating children . But otherwise he just as extreme in his views as Newsom is also extreme on his leftist views . Newsom is also a culture warrior for the left , both of them have been feuding over political issues dominating each of their states . Both DeSantis and Newsom are self serving .This event was billed as an epic forum to contrast ideas and opposing models for governance, what Fox News titled: "The Great Red State vs. Blue State Debate.” Of course, that was hardly the case. The televised slugfest was predictably low on substance and high on vitriol.DeSantis defended his record on banning books and discussion about sexual orientation and gender identity in schools. He pulled out a page from the graphic novel “Gender Queer,” which showed sexually explicit, partially blacked-out images, claiming the books were in schools in California. Interesting enough , both Florida and California have banned books for whatever reason , for the same reason .DeSantis did telling the truth. Hannity tried too much to be an extra cook in the kitchen with DeSantis. This was unnecessary especially given the fact graphs provided by Fox from mainstream sources. Hannity, instead of being a “hall monitor”, complained about having to be one. I’m sorry, but this is Ron DeSantis debating Gavin Newsom. There has to be a hall monitor.(3)>>DOMINATED their opponent. In an alternate reality, the prime-time showdown between California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom and Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday could have been a preview of a 2024 general election debate.Instead, it was a hard-to-explain 90-minute clash that pitted one struggling Republican presidential hopeful against a Democratic rival who may or may not seek the presidency in four years.“This is a slick, slippery politician whose state is failing,” DeSantis said of Newsom.“How’s that going for you, Ron? You’re down 41 points in your own home state,” said Newsom, who is backing Biden for president. “Neither of us will be the nominee for a party in 2024.”
