Getting out of AFGHANISTAN

Getting out of AFGHANISTAN .

Well its official . The War in Afghanistan is truing into one of the longest wars that ever involved the United Sates of America .Trump’s  speech on August 22nd — in which he further committed troops to the nation’s longest war, but offered few specifics , is a great indicator how any one could be bought by the system at large --even (1.1)>>Donald J Trump  —“Trump reverses course, will send more troops to Afghanistan,” read the headline on (1.2)>>Breitbart’s homepage following President Trump’s prime time address on U.S. military strategy in Afghanistan. “Defends flip-flop in somber speech.”  Here Trump follows the neo-con path on the continuation of the war . The war in Afghanistan is longer than the Vietnam War, only if you consider the start of the Vietnam War the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution in 1964. Be that as it may (Afghanistan) is clearly the second longest war in American history. It's second to the costliness of the Iraq war . Both of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan drained American military resources . Right now the nations defense is like a chicken without feathers .  (2)>>Trillions of dollars were dumped on Iraq & Afghanistan to "change regime , occupy" . Both wars were a utter failure . The goal of the Afgan war was to capture Osama Bin Laden . We MAY never know (2.2)>>the exact fate of Bin Laden , since the Navy Seals who as "reported" killed him in a raid in Pakistan { which I don't believe} then took great pains to dump the body of the most wanted man { 25 million $ dollar bounty } was dumped at sea .  In Every sense of the word the Afghanistan- Iraq  war was a costly flop as an attempt to rid the middle-east of terrorism .
Afghanistan was better under Communism , REALLY! 

Kabul , 1970 . Under Communist rule
women study at Kabul
University.  

Before the 9-11,  post 9-11 American invasion we had the Soviet occupation , which through US American covert operations under Ronald Reagan armed a great deal of the Taliban  which set the stage for the birth of Al-Qaeda to train guerrilla  armies  to fight the Russian. Well know that the Soviets lost , thanks to American arming of militants . While the Afghanistan Communist government was toppled . The void was then filled by the Taliban ,  Islamic extremism.  But lets go back before it . If you think that driving out the Soviets out was anything but good for Afghanistan .  Think again ! (3)>>What happed to Afghanistan,  was a total dismemberment of a society that was moving toward a Western Cultural development . The loss of the Soviet domination forced backward elements to take over { Taliban in question} , forcing extremist values on the people . We can see this vary clearly in the Middle-East during the Arab Spring , after the Iranian Revolution which overthrew the Shah . Most case in point was the American invasion of Iraq which got rid of Saddam , threw the entire Iraqi society in chaos making room for the rise of the Islamic State . Remembering the Afghanistan that was ,  Even before the Soviets the  monarchy and then a constitutional monarchy, there was relative stability and by the 1960s a brief era of modernity and democratic reform. Afghan women not only attended Kabul University, they did so in miniskirts. Visitors — tourists, hippies, Indians, Pakistanis, adventurers — were stunned by the beauty of the city’s gardens and the snow-capped mountains that surround the capital. In 1979, the Soviets invaded, occupied Afghanistan for the next decade and were finally driven out by American-backed mujahedeen fighters, some of whom went on to form the Taliban, an Islamic student militia, which took control in Kabul in 1996. The Taliban in turn were toppled by the Americans in 2001, but fighting continues  to this day . 
Mr . Trump keep your word . Out of Afghanistan !

President Trump correctly told his generals that they were “losing” the war in Afghanistan, rejected their proposed strategy, and sent them back to the drawing board to create a new one. Well as a nation we are going to just keep losing the war . Occupying another nation as we learned from the Soviet invasion is costly .  (4)>>What we learned so far  it you can't get into nation building . But in Afghanistan, there is no nation built and, honestly, no foundation upon which to build one.Afghanistan is a nation out of time – stuck in a world more than a millennia gone. Americans, especially those with political power, like to think the rest of the world yearns for the liberty we take for granted; that they’d embrace freedom if only given the chance. There is no evidence to support this idea.Thus, after 16 years of fighting, approximately 2,400 American military deaths, more than 20,000 wounded, 1,200 U.S. civilian contractor deaths, and a whopping half trillion dollars wasted in this quagmire, instead of cutting its losses, the Trump administration seems to be willing to let the military re-escalate the war by sending 3,000 to 5,000 additional U.S.troops in. The question for Trump is whether to accept that reality and get out or deny it and stay. Afghani,” the name of Afghanistan’s currency, is actually the name of its people — is that Trump thinks the US needed to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan.. We've been in Afganastan for 16 years. If our troops have''t trained an entire generation how to stand up and fight, they won't domit with another 20k boots on the ground. Time to come home and let Afganistan determine its own future.

NOTES AND COMMENTS :

(1.1)>>Donald J Trump . President Donald Trump railed against U.S. troop engagement in Afghanistan as a candidate. During Trump's nationally televised speech Monday night, Americans will find out where he stands on the nation's longest war. He spent a great deal of time critical of the Bush - Obama policy . On Twitter — the president's most frequent outlet for communication — he started calling for an end to the war in Afghanistan as early as 2011 and continued that push as a candidate. In at least a dozen tweets, Trump criticized the war, sometimes urging Obama to pull out American troops. In other instances, he called the effort a waste of money or of American lives. Five years ago to the day Monday, Trump called Afghanistan "a complete waste." He added: "Time to come home!".  (1)>>Breitbart’s homepage.  Breitbart did a number on the Trump flip in policy: "  Before he was elected president, Donald Trump frequently expressed frustration with America’s longest war.“Do not allow our very stupid leaders to sign a deal that keeps us in Afghanistan through 2024 — with all costs by U.S.A.,” Trump wrote on Twitter in November 2013. “MAKE AMERICA GREAT!”  Trump’s August  speech, in which he pledged to increase the number of troops in the 16-year-war, was the first since the departure of Chief Strategist Steve Bannon and confirmed the fears of many on the right that without a strong nationalist voice in the West Wing, the President would revert to the same old fare that Americans had voted to reject in November.Using many of the same vague promises that previous presidents had used, including a repeat of Obama’s promise not to give a “blank check” to Afghanistan and a pledge to finally get tough on Pakistan, it was a far cry from the “America First” foreign policy he laid out in the months before election day ".  (2)>>Trillions of dollars were dumped on Iraq & Afghanistan to "change regime , occupy" . A 2013 Harvard University working paper came up with an even higher cost: $4 trillion to $6 trillion for just Iraq and Afghanistan. The Congressional Research Service, for example, just fired up its calculators and concluded that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have cost U.S. taxpayers $1.6 trillion.   Bush-Cheney Republicans imagined the Middle East was the on-ramp to greater world power and burned up at least two trillion dollars and much of U.S. prestige in a misbegotten attempt to make that illusion a reality. Since the first day of his presidency, Obama has been trying to pull back from or ameliorate the resulting Bush-made miasmas in Afghanistan and Iraq (though with only modest success), while resisting constant Republican pressures to reengage fully in the permanent, pointless Middle Eastern war that they consider their own. Instead of Bush’s endless occupations with 170,000 troops in Iraq and 101,000 in Afghanistan. (2.2)>>the exact fate of Bin Laden.  There is wider skepticism over the official US account that Bin Laden's body was buried at sea. Why would our government fake such a story ??? . I would have hoped for a headline like " BIN LADEN CAPTURED ! " . Yet the whole Navy Seal story of Laden's killing should be viewed with caution . When his body was buried at sea , literately dumped . I poised a question of "justice" , something that the Nazi's were not denied during the Nuremberg trials. If compare Saddam Hussein's fate  , he was tried after his capture by a  Iraqi Kangaroo court which convicted him of war crimes against his people , he was hanged . The Kangaroo court was a Bush orchestrated justice  which is no worse than the "claims" of Laden's death by the Seals during the raid . But many questioned the circumstances surrounding bin Laden’s death, including the decision not to release any images of his body or DNA evidence.In light of Sy Hersh’s claim that the raid on Osama bin Laden in 2011 is “one big lie,” here’s an overview of evidence in support of an alternative narrative: bin Laden died in December 2001 in Tora Bora from a lung complication as a result of kidney failure starting at least since mid-2000. Based on this report that Late December 2001 to March 2002: bin Laden’s “Death Video” is Released In late December of 2001, after reports of bin Laden’s funeral, a new video appears of a gaunt, sickly Osama bin Laden. The London Telegraph reports, verbatim: “The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration yesterday as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa’eda leader was already dead.” One aid further concludes that the video was created earlier in the event bin Laden is dead, who by December of 2001 was so heavily surrounded he would have been unable to escape to obtain kidney dialysis. If Bin Laden died somewhere between 2001 -2005 , just who did the Navy Seals kill in that raid ?  Mistakes do happen , a BIG GOVERNMENT mistake like that would have to be covered up fast with misinformation .The raid may accidentally killed a innocent bye- standard . Most Afghani- males have beards , could be in a silly way mistaken , but that would be too far fetched . On the same line Bin Laden may have been dead since 2005 , the fact that in 2011 Pres. Obama had a prime opportunity to orchestrate the greatest cover up by burying the most wanted man in American history . OR plainly it's the greatest "fake news" story ever unleashed to the American public.  (3)>>What happed to Afghanistan,  was a total dismemberment of a society. Afghanistan may have been the first country to fall under the banner of Saudi Arabian Wahhabism . The Taliban militants were trained by the Saudis , who were  fueled with American arms during the 1980s  . Replaced the evolving culture of Afghanistan with a backward tribal feudal system of warlords , bandits . The nation during the 1960s under the monarchic system , followed by the Soviet communist government of Zia   . The Afghan society was becoming modernized . Historically the only interaction rural Afghanistan has had with Kabul has been when the state tries to impose "Western" values on tribal populations. The communist government fell in 1992. The Taliban took Kabul in 1996. Lets be clear here, the threat to a more "open" and "broad" society was curtailed by US involvement in Afghanistan. The civil war and invasions were a direct result of the western presence in the country (in the form of military and financial aid) and a colonial mining mindset. The steps toward modernization by the West was directly part of the downfall of all progress in Afghanistan.  (4)>>What we learned so far  it you can't get into nation building. The stalemate is more or less a permanent fact of life. George W. Bush turned his attention away from Afghanistan once he decided to invade Iraq, and his administration was content to stave off disaster. Barack Obama mounted a surge, boosting the number of U.S. troops from about 30,000 to about 100,000 in his first two years, but by the time he left office, he had drawn them down to 8,400.But for a trio of presidents, the Afghanistan war has proved to be impossible to ignore, or to end. As appealing as withdrawing U.S. forces might seem to be, it would likely mean that the pro-American government would fall and the power of the Taliban, al-Qaeda and the Islamic State would spread.