Saturday, August 17, 2019

'Hong Kong?’ dilemma, or China's or America's .

'Hong Kong?’ dilemma, or China's or America's . I really have to pick a bone with this . PLEASE FORGIVE me if I sound insensitive . I really understand that the protesters feelings.  I feel that they are going to lose the battle , it might be bloody , it could jeopardized the unique economic situation of Hong Kong. The Hong Kong protest has been going on for 7 weeks and it does not look like it will end soon. Many people are hoping the silent majority will come out to stop the protest. The protest is escalating into heated confrontations between police, democracy activists, pro-Beijing triad gang members, and local residents.  After two million Hong Kong residents, more than one-fourth of the city’s population, took to the streets to protest against  (1)>>a bill allowing extradition to China, Governor Carrie Lam apologized to the people of Hong Kong and suspended the legislative process of the bill. Beyond that point the protest should have ended . While again in our American media is trying to fuel the spin idea that these protesters are trying to aim for democracy . It may not be what we think. But after 22 years of “autonomous” rule by Hong Kong people under the British legal system, (1.2)>>Hong Kong is experiencing its biggest political crisis.It is being threatened and destabilised by continuous protests sparked by opposition to the now-shelved extradition Bill that would send serious criminals to the mainland, Taiwan and other nations for trial.The demands of protestors have now widened to include a call for Lam’s resignation and granting of independence to Hong Kong.For the local government, it was a huge assault on its administration when hundreds of protesters smashed their way into the Legislative Council and ransacked its chamber and offices on July 1.For mainlanders, it was a painful sight on July 21 when protesters marched to Beijing’s representative office in Hong Kong and defaced China’s emblem with black paint. The stock market is dropping rapidly which is affecting a lot of people because their savings are mostly in the stock market. The Hang Seng Index is 8 months low and there is no indication that it will rebound soon. Moreover, property prices are the lowest for many years. A few years ago, Hong Kong properties were one of the most expensive in the world due to the influx of Chinese immigrants from China. Moreover, foreign businessmen who wished to do business in China would prefer to go through Hong Kong. Currently they can go directly to any city in China without any difficulties. There have been reports of "acts of terrorism" with some of the protesters , But by Wednesday only a few dozen protesters remained at the airport in a sanctioned area after the airport authority obtained an interim injunction against demonstrators. The previous night, protesters had blocked travellers from checking into their flights, clashed with police, and tied down two men that demonstrators suspected of being spies. Sounds like  (1.3)>>ANTIFA in Hong kong ? [ see this , possible proof of US Citizens as instigators in Hong Kong protests ? https://coconuts.co/hongkong/news/not-welcome-far-right-patriot-prayer-leader-turns-up-at-hong-kong-anti-extradition-rally/ ]  (2)>>President Donald Trump facing criticism for his response. Democrats were lining up Tuesday to attack the president's stance on the increasingly tense and violent clashes between police and pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong.Protesters were met by police in riot gear who used tear gas in the main terminal at Hong Kong International Airport, which had become a base for a movement that's calling for the territory's historic democratic rights to be protected and extended. In comments to reporters and in a series of afternoon tweets, Mr. Trump took no strong position on the demonstrations that have gripped Hong Kong for weeks and have drawn an increasingly brutal response from local security forces. He echoed none of the defenses of freedom and democracy coming from both Democrats and Republicans.“The Hong Kong thing is a very tough situation. Very tough,” Mr. Trump told reporters as he left New Jersey for an official event in Pennsylvania. “We’ll see what happens. But I’m sure it’ll work out.” He added: “I hope it works out for everybody, including China. I hope it works out peacefully. I hope nobody gets hurt. I hope nobody gets killed.”


Hong Kong part of China like it or Not!
Hong Kong Protesters carry American flags
during Marching . I think its NOT a Good
idea .
The most Googled question about Hong Kong regards what country it's actually in -- China, or no?  Hong Kong is part of China,  .It's surprising because the answer isn't quite as simple as you might imagine. With its own money, passport and immigration channels, and legal system, Hong Kong isn't quite yet a part of China. But with Chinese flags flying from government buildings and Beijing appointing the Chief Executive who runs the city, it isn't quite independent either.Special Administrative rule was hammered out between the (2.1)>>Chinese and British governments in the run-up to the Hong Kong Handover . With thousands of Hong Kongers leaving the city due to concern over the Chinese takeover, not least of all in the aftermath of Tiananmen Square massacre, the government’s drew up a design for governance designed to allay the city’s fears.How special administrative regions work is defined in the document that continues to govern the running of Hong Kong, the Basic Law. Some of the key points contained in the law include; the capitalist system in the HKSAR shall remain unchanged for 50 years, the freedom of persons in Hong Kong will remain inviolable and that Hong Kong residents shall have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, freedom of conscience and religious belief and freedom of protest. Laws previously in force shall be maintained and the independent Hong Kong judiciary will have the power of adjudication.  (3)>>Hong Kong has potential to reform the Chinese Communist Mainland , but protesting , using violence will just bring in the Red People's Army , could crush the dream .

The Future of Hong Kong 2050 AD.

Fifty years from NOW. I hope to see a more reformed China , (4)>>but China is going to be another story . Throughout history, Chinese culture survived through its sheer mass and cultural osmosis  Since the summer of 2014, signs that Beijing is trying to dismantle Hong Kong's cherished "one country, two systems" model have triggered growing waves of protest. At stake is not only the relative political freedom Hong Kong has enjoyed since Britain returned the territory to China in 1997, but its economic future, as it faces growing competition from other global financial hubs.Most importantly, (5)>>Hong Kong has avoided the draconian media censorship common on the mainland. A free press is consistent with its reputation as a global center of banking and commerce. Hong Kong’s ease of trade and doing business frequently leads it to being named one of the world’s freest economies. China has the potential to keep the economic system in place in Hong Kong , first its will secure the Chinese state with economic growth , but crushing the system will only hurt China , the stock market . The future of Hong Kong lies with China , by 2050 AD , I can  only say that hopes to change China are at the door step of Hong Kong .

NOTES AND COMMENTS:

(1)>>a bill allowing extradition to China. The dispute over the extradition bill started in February 2019, when the Hong Kong government proposed an amendment to its Fugitive Offenders Ordinance to allow the extradition of criminal suspects to more countries and territories, including mainland China. Hong Kong pro-democratic politicians and activists warned that this bill, if passed, would put the safety and interests of the residents and foreign citizens in Hong Kong at risk. The Chinese legal system, they argue, is nontransparent and has a long history of prosecuting dissents and activists. They highlighted that this amendment would significantly erode the semi-autonomic system of Hong Kong, or “one country, two systems” in Chinese terms, agreed to by China and the U.K. before the handover of Hong Kong in 1997. (1.2)>>Hong Kong is experiencing its biggest political crisis.  How many years has Hong Kong functioned successfully under one country two systems? The protestors remind me of the Occupy Wall Street movement which has on leaders no clear objectives and accomplished? Shutting down the airport which is essential to Hong Kong’s economy was at best a mistake what would have happened if Occupy Wall Street had shut down JFK?   The protest in Hong Kong will not go away soon, nor will it cease, and it will come to an end when China gets directly involved, whether by force or by economic means (like crash the Hong Kong dollar).It should be obvious (no one has pointed it out loud) that the majority of the protesters are young people, especially those were born in 1990s or late 1980. They are the forgotten generation in Hong Kong. (1.3)>>ANTIFA in Hong kong ? This can be really ugly , if there is proof of American agents in Hong Kong creating the situations  leading to protests . I found a Facebook for ANTIFA in Hong Kong ! see https://www.facebook.com/antifa.hongkong/ It is a shame how the editorial board downplays what happened in the H.K. airport. Do you really think the violence against the two men could be justified, even for a tiny bit, by an apology? Let along they never apologized to that Chinese reporter directly. The full apology, notably in English only in many blogs, tends to save their image before the international world.So why can't you just state the facts: "HK demonstrators turn violent against Chinese men." It's inhumane. It is against the freedom of speech that they are seeking. Period. No ifs. No buts. (2)>>President Donald Trump facing criticism. Trump has voiced his strongest support for Chinese President Xi Jinping, not the protesters seeking democratic reforms, praising the Communist leader as “a good man in a ‘tough business.’”“If President Xi would meet directly and personally with the protesters, there would be a happy and enlightened ending to the Hong Kong problem,” Trump tweeted Thursday. “I have no doubt!”But Trump has also linked the anti-government protests with his damaging trade war with China, showing his fixation on reaching an agreement with Beijing and injecting a combustible new bargaining chip into already volatile negotiations.“Of course China wants to make a deal,” he tweeted. “Let them work humanely with Hong Kong first!”   (2.1)>>Chinese and British governments . - what if Hong Kong was still a colony of Britain and the Hong Kong Chinese protested in the streets for ten weeks demanding the right to vote for their governor, the top judge, the legislators? What would Britain do? What would Americans do? Hong Kong has never been a democracy. Interesting how some politicians in Hong Kong are hoping for the US and Britain to help Hong Kong achieve democracy. What they don't ask is why Britain never instituted democratic reforms in Hong Kong when they were in charge, which they could easily have done. And why the US never pushed its ally to do so if it cared so much about democracy in Hong Kong. Why now, if they already knew Hong Kong would eventually return to Chinese rule and could have done so 30 years ago ?Democracy is only a tool to be used to further the national interests of these countries when it suits them. The US fomented the coup in Iran in 1953 to depose the democratically elected government, in order to install the Shah, a dictator under their control. Saudi Arabia, the most undemocratic government in the world, is a US "strategic partner", and the US supplies the arms they use to suppress dissent. If the US government cares so much about democracy in foreign lands, why not start here ? By making all the noises about democracy and freedom when it clearly couldn't care less about it, the US is giving China even more reason to think that Hong Kong is being used as a pawn in the great game of global geopolitics. (3)>>Hong Kong has potential to reform the Chinese Communist Mainland .  The BIG QUESTION is how many Hong Kong activists will become members  of the Chinese Communist Party ? An armed "revolution" of sorts will get people killed and may crush the dreams of many people in Hong Kong . The rightful solution to bring change to the system is to implant the dreams of freedom , and liberty with the Chinese system by little steps within the Chinese government , that seed is planed in Hong Kong .  (4)>>but China is going to be another story . By 2030 China's population is expected to reach 1.6 billion, prompting concerns about food supply. And, Hu said, the third peak will be in 2040, when about 320 million Chinese will be 60 or older.China's population also is expected to become more urbanized in the next 50 years. "Eighty percent of the population will move to urban areas," Zhang predicted. "They will not rely on agriculture for their livelihood. That's a fundamental change in society: 500 million people will move, changing their lives, changing culture, changing values."(5)>>Hong Kong has avoided . But China today is a global economic power, and any direct intervention in Hong Kong would have global consequences, especially at a time when Beijing is already embroiled in a nasty tariff war with the Trump administration. The difficulty now is to ensure that the eruption of violence at the airport not be a point of no return, after which Mr. Xi concludes he has no choice but to react, but rather a shock that drives both sides back from the precipice.

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