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| David Grusch is NO BOB LAZAR . Is he part of a Government PSYOP to distract the American PUBLIC ???? |
UFOs HERE IT GOES AGAIN!.
(1)>>Well UFOs or UAPS whatever you want to call them are back in the news . Yeah I'm not sure if they're fearing the stigma surrounding UFOs could potentially put their employment at risk, or that they know details that are terrifying, or that they know that publicly ousting the government in regards to the UFO topic has a tendency to cause "accidents"... If they're fake, the government faked them to make his story seem more credible. (1.2)>>SO WHAT'S UP with this CURRENT UFO WHISTLEBLOWER ? There are a lot of peculiar things about the UFO "whistleblowers" . You know the subject of Government hiding UFOs is not so new, crashed UFOs have been twisted around by Government disinformation , gaslighting the public since 1947. (1.3)>>David Grusch is NO BOB LAZAR . He's probably a telling the public lies. Lets go back almost two decades ago when a Bob Lazar made allegations to the public that the US was hiding UFOs . People have forgotten this . IT was a long time ago , that's why . (2)>>The government is very good at hiding secrets. For example: Back in February, our gov shot down 3 UFOs. You still don't have images of those UFOs, you don't know exactly what they are and you don't know who made them but America's bad at keeping secrets . Over decades, dozens (hundreds?) of former gov, mil, intel claim ufos+aliens are real, and that the gov knows + is hiding it. All are labeled as crackpots, hoaxers, liars, grifters, scammers, etc. Everybody: "Surely someone would have said something by now if it were true" (3)>> Aliens are ALWAYS a distraction, and ALWAYS brought up in the news when the powers that be don't want you looking at something. Their fake AI drone killing a fake operator story was busted fast, so quick - pull out the Aliens! Those sorts of Aliens do NOT exist. Approximately 90% of the comments outside the UFO Community are accusing (4)>>David Grusch of being a liar. People are unwilling to believe and support the disclosure agenda unless substantial evidence is provided, such as a massive UFO appearing in the midst of New York or the president publicly acknowledging the reality of the phenomenon and presenting compelling evidence. I believe that David Grusch will become a significant subject of study, but the disclosure has not yet occurred due to the majority of the population's disbelief. This situation is truly frustrating.
GOVERNMENT MISINFORMATION .
The greatest perpetrator of misinformation during the pandemic has been the United States government. (5)>>SO how about UFOs ?False information is ubiquitous, persistent, and potentially harmful. Rumors tend
to intensify in periods of crisis, when there is a lack of official information . False
information spreads faster when the (6)>>news media works with the DEEP STATE . Big news in the UFO world: it turns out that aliens might actually exist and the Federal government has the proof! This is not a drill, all of Tom DeLonge‘s (and everyone else’s) hard work has paid off, and the truth is finally getting revealed. A whistleblower who served in the U.S. Army has come forward, claiming that the Federal Government has multiple craft of “non-human origin”. So who is David Grusch, and what does he know?! The main guy is respected and had a lot of clearances that would seem to have made this stuff available to him, but the biggest downside seems to be that he hasn't seen a link of anything first hand. It's all stuff he's been told by other people from the military. He's basically not an eyewitness to any of it. Hopefully some of the others coming forward have something a bit more first hand. The reality is that discourse around UFOs and the possibility that they’re real has come a long way from laughing at people who claim to have seen them,(7)>>to the point the U.S. military finally admitted recently that UFO encounters may come with the territory. Seriously, this whole thing can be summarised as "Man claims other people told him we have recovered alien technology". If the truth about ufos is revealed or uncovered, the biggest shocker will NOT be Non Human intelligence. It will be the confirmation of the Deep State and how it's been pulling strings of government for decades. The intimidation, lies and infiltration of media.
REVISITING BOB LAZAR .
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| BOB LAZAR the ORIGINAL WHISTLEBLOWER on GOVERNMENT UFO REVERSE ENGINEERING . |
He says he hasn't seen it or touched it or know where it is or what it even is or seen any kind of evidence of it. He can't name the people who supposedly told him these things, he can't name any specific body or programme or authorities operating these retrievals or performing analysis. Forget evidence, he's not even providing specifics. (8)>>CASE IN POINT BOB LAZAR . REMEMBER LAZAR who CLAIMED he worked at AREA 51 , and did reverse engineering on CRASHED UFOs . Bob Lazar might HAVE BEEN speaking the truth, why not. He knew about element 115, gravitational waves were detected in 2015. If I understand it correctly he was harassed by various ppl from the government, why would this happened if he was lying? There a bunch of ppl trying to earn money selling UFO stuff that no one from government ever look at, let alone shot at. And he didn't earn money out of his statements he just got a lot of hate speech, for me this is quite a big plus. (9)>>Thirty years ago he described element 115, which scientists scoffed at, now having recently been brought into existence, I have to say that Bob Lazar is not a liar. All those who sought to deride and belittle and destroy him, those must now be charged as liars, and deceivers. They have exhausted their credibility, in my opinion. Bob Lazar mentions in several videos that he was only allowed to know about the small part of the craft he was given to work on - the reactor. He wasn't allowed to know what others were working on (in relation to the same craft) because everything was compartmentalized. The compartmentalization was a security measure.Then he says he was inside the craft looking at different aspects of the interior set up. Then he says he was allowed to see the thing fly on the base. Then he says that despite all this ultra-high security, he was allowed to steal the flight schedule. The only claim to legitimacy of any sort that (10)>>Bob Lazar has is that he brought Area 51 to the attention of the American public. Big deal, that’s where the skunk works are, well away from any population that would be seriously offended by the odoriferous and oftentimes toxic industrial pollutants that fill the air around there. That’s why they call it the skunk works. Other than that, he is obviously a pathological liar and a fraud.Neither of these conditions have ever precluded any other American from ever being a success.Lazar claims that he is a graduate of MIT and Caltech. Neither school has any record of his attendance; he is not in any yearbooks and no instructors at either institution remember him ever being there; MIT claims it is impossible to expunge the attendance records. He seems like a disturbed individual.The government is doing something at Nellis, I don't know of it is UFOs, terrestrial flight testing, captured foreign aircraft, or anything else. The intelligence community and military don't want anyone knowing for whatever reason. Making up a cover story is something they know how to do, so why not use this method to do it? In the end, Lazar is either a plant, telling the whole truth, telling mostly the truth, telling an embellished truth, telling an outright lie, or is a lunatic. (11)>>AGAIN LIKE David Grusch All of the possibilities are disturbing.
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| BOB LAZAR'S sketch of UFO at AREA 51. Powered by ELEMENT 115 . |
ADDITIONAL NOTES : UFO'S IN MY BACKYARD & 10 FOOT ALIENS HOAX .
Far be it from me to suggest these aerial objects could not be of extraterrestrial origin. They may very well be. But, I would caution people inclined to rule out earthly explanations not to jump to conclusions. 
Whoa, hold on tight! UAPs or UFOs are going nuts! 
First, we had a Las Vegas sighting of these bad boys, complete with 10-foot aliens chillin' in someone's backyard 
I would NOT WRITE about another potential HOAX from the government is probably COULD BE SOME PRACTICAL JOKE .What are the chances that the cop video catches the object falling out of the sky and 8 minutes later this call happens in the same area?Let's be honest. Most people if they saw 10 foot creatures walking around in their back yard would be scared shitless and wouldn't move. So if their cell phone was in another room, their first thought might not be run to grab my phone with a 10 foot creature in the back yard even though you think they should/would. Also doesn't mean it's real , but I'm just saying.If you're seeing footage of the 8-10 foot tall hostile-looking alien in some guy's backyard, just remember that not only is it fake, but they are doing this to try to discredit the real aliens who are here helping us. That's how 3 letter govt agencies work to suppress truth. 
Did the person grab the phone and photograph the aliens? I am sure his backyard is now teeming with Alien biological evidence. Tons of alien microbiota, footprints, body fluids with precious DNA or equivalent. Are ufologists going to be analyzing all that? No. They'll strut about, claim unique magnetic resonance and vibrational frequencies and claim irrefutable proof of alien visitation. As usual. If they don't provide video then it's very likely to be a hoax.Is far too soft and uncritical. With all the sophisticated technology, we have in 2023 people still can’t take a clear picture or video of these fucking aliens! And another thing recording a huge event like that with shitty quality should be a federal crime ! Like you have a chance to show the world a world changing event but you choose to get the camera from 1893 and you have a camera to the person with the Shakiest fucking hands! Hold those people, accountable for wasting everyone’s time bro! I guarantee you if it was me when I seen this aliens walking around or a UFO in the sky I would pull out the best camera I could and walk up to the aliens in different angles like fucking Spielberg bro! The presence or absence of video has no bearing on whether or not this event was a hoax.
Whoa, hold on tight! UAPs or UFOs are going nuts! First, we had a Las Vegas sighting of these bad boys, complete with 10-foot aliens chillin' in someone's backyard I would NOT WRITE about another potential HOAX from the government is probably COULD BE SOME PRACTICAL JOKE .What are the chances that the cop video catches the object falling out of the sky and 8 minutes later this call happens in the same area?Let's be honest. Most people if they saw 10 foot creatures walking around in their back yard would be scared shitless and wouldn't move. So if their cell phone was in another room, their first thought might not be run to grab my phone with a 10 foot creature in the back yard even though you think they should/would. Also doesn't mean it's real , but I'm just saying.If you're seeing footage of the 8-10 foot tall hostile-looking alien in some guy's backyard, just remember that not only is it fake, but they are doing this to try to discredit the real aliens who are here helping us. That's how 3 letter govt agencies work to suppress truth. Did the person grab the phone and photograph the aliens? I am sure his backyard is now teeming with Alien biological evidence. Tons of alien microbiota, footprints, body fluids with precious DNA or equivalent. Are ufologists going to be analyzing all that? No. They'll strut about, claim unique magnetic resonance and vibrational frequencies and claim irrefutable proof of alien visitation. As usual. If they don't provide video then it's very likely to be a hoax.Is far too soft and uncritical. With all the sophisticated technology, we have in 2023 people still can’t take a clear picture or video of these fucking aliens! And another thing recording a huge event like that with shitty quality should be a federal crime ! Like you have a chance to show the world a world changing event but you choose to get the camera from 1893 and you have a camera to the person with the Shakiest fucking hands! Hold those people, accountable for wasting everyone’s time bro! I guarantee you if it was me when I seen this aliens walking around or a UFO in the sky I would pull out the best camera I could and walk up to the aliens in different angles like fucking Spielberg bro! The presence or absence of video has no bearing on whether or not this event was a hoax.NOTES AND COMMENTS : (1)>>Well UFOs or UAPS whatever you want to call them are back in the news . I grew up with "UFO" but I can see why they changed it to "UAP". It covers a broader spectrum of visual phenomenon. Since some UAPs don't show up on radar at all, it's possible they don't have physical mass as we understand it or are mirages or projections of some type, so calling those ones objects doesn't really stick.(1)>>SO WHAT'S UP with this CURRENT UFO WHISTLEBLOWER ? "Still a possibility" Even if he is lying, the truth is still being revealed. Why? Because it's very clear our gov is hiding UFO secrets but I don't think he's lying. Unless he's been having fantasies of going to prison, I don't see why he would willingly Lie Under Oath 
. kinda crazy that about 1 year ago the gov't was like oh yeah there are objects in the sky that we can't identify, and 2 days ago a respected int official whistle blows that the gov't has been hiding "non-human origin" crafts/materials David Charles Grusch, 36, is a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, and a former Pentagon official. 
He claims the US gov't has been hiding UFO info for decades. "There is something here we don't understand." What exactly does he claim they are hiding? 
The Debrief report says US Navy has been tracking UFOs that defy known flight laws."Not from any known country or program." Is he telling the truth?Learn more: bit.ly/43qttI5. (1.3)>>David Grusch is NO BOB LAZAR .The would-be whistle-blower in this case, David Grusch, isn’t touting fraudulent credentials; he’s a former national-security professional who was assigned to the then-newly-created Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (lately rebooted as the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) from 2019-22.Grusch says he was not personally part of a UFO exploitation program but rather spoke to numerous people involved with it. And while Grusch says he has provided Congress with the names and locations of people and efforts related to the program, we are not privy to this information. The divided reaction in Congress to Grusch's claims underlines the broader issue. Here’s how Lazar has told the story: As a physicist educated at M.I.T. and Caltech, he was hired by the U.S. Navy in the 1980s to work as a technician at “S-4,” a subsidiary of Area 51. By his account, the facility contains nine recovered flying saucers; in addition, Lazar has claimed glimpses of alien cadavers and briefings on human contact with the Zeta Reticuli star system. First, the U.S. government and military retain multiple, extremely sensitive programs designed to secure and assess advanced foreign military technologies, including satellites, missile systems, aircraft, and an increasing array of drones.Equally important, the unwillingness of different U.S. intelligence services to share information with one another means that conspiracy theories are sometimes born in the absence of one agency's understanding as to what is going on in another agency. This reflects a deeper concern in relation to the UFO subject and the U.S. government. Namely, that numerous people in the military, intelligence community, and Congress who have the clearances and credible mission-need-to-know about a UFO exploitation program apparently do not know about it.Lazar’s credibility has been a subject of scrutiny. Skeptics have pointed out inconsistencies in his background, including the fact that the educational institutions he claimed to have attended had no record of him. Additionally, Lazar faced legal trouble, being charged for involvement in an illegal activity unrelated to his UFO claims. While Lazar has provided limited physical evidence, such as a W-2 form indicating income from the Department of Naval Intelligence, even that has been questioned for its authenticity.(2)>>The government is very good at hiding secrets. The US government has been urged to disclose evidence of Unexplained Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), or UFOs, I mean, Bob Lazar said he worked on these reverse engineered UFOs in the 90s and it looked like they were molds that were mass produced. We've had old retired guys regurgitating the same stuff probably before then. His admission that there are documents he has and hey congress, look at this. Are validating those claims. Yes, Navy pilots and other military personnel have been seeing mysterious flying objects for decades; a Navy task force reviewed 144 sightings by U.S. government personnel . I don't think there's any amount of "solid" evidence that Grusch and the government can present that will convince any skeptic, unless any of these strange phenomenon happens personally in front of them. And even then they can refuse their own experience because "I was probably hallucinating because I didn't drink enough water that day".UFO believers and UFO researchers were more likely to see the report confirm their acceptance of a large-scale deception by the US military. So-called "independent critics" also claimed that it was unlikely that witnesses would confuse later, over a decade crashes of test dummies with a single event from 1947.We can only imagine the confusion and concern when the informed elite of the United States Government discovered that an alien spacecraft piloted by insect like beings from a totally incomprehensible culture had crashed in the desert of New Mexico.Between January 1947 and December 1952 at least 16 crashed or downed alien craft, 65 alien bodies, and 1 live alien were recovered. An additional alien craft had exploded and nothing was recovered from that incident. Of these incidents, 13 occurred within the borders of the United States not including the craft which disintegrated in the air. Of these 13, 1 was in Arizona, 11 were in New Mexico, and 1 was in Nevada. Three occured in foreign countries. Of those 1 was in Norway, and the last 2 were in Mexico. Sightings of UFO's were so numerous that serious investigation and debunking of each report became impossible utilizing the existing intelligence assets.So: the US government has not only been investigating UFOs, but has admitted the fact. More than that: in an article published in 2021 the New Yorker revealed that the US government had actively attempted to hide its interest by discrediting reports of unexplained stuff in the sky, in 1966 going as far as to hire CBS News’s Walter Cronkite to host a documentary with the magnificent title: UFO: Friend, Foe or Fantasy? When U.S. officials describe these incidents, they often use language that's purposefully vague, such as "high altitude airborne objects." It's an attempt to be accurate while still reporting preliminary data, but the approach can be intriguing, and it also provokes public speculation.For instance, here's Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, talking about that day's shootdown: "We have no further details about the object at this time, including any description of its capabilities, purpose, or origin."When a reporter asked VanHerck if the U.S. military has ruled out potential actions by extraterrestrials, he did not dismiss the idea.(3)>> Aliens are ALWAYS a distraction. I’m confused as to why something as crazy as whats going on right now is being reduced by many to being a “distraction”. Its quite frustrating.The crazy thing is that the CBS national defense correspondent believed that these objects are unrelated to China. To be clear I think they are balloons but whose would they be if not China?There have certainly been distractions from things in the past but the claims with these make no sense. People are saying they are distracting from the Ohio incident but that is being covered quite largely on national news.Conspiracy theories used to be fun stuff like the US government trying to cover up Roswell. Now people seem to think politicians from every country in the world are capable of agreeing to some giant secret master plan.It’s bizarre. They seem to think COVID > vaccine > Ukraine > UFOs are all some mass attempt at…distraction? “They” are trying to usher in the New World Order & we should be afraid because…?They have the power, but what guarantees that they keep it? The answer is to manipulate the system so the power stays in their hands. I think you'd be surprised how far the elites would go to keep this the case. Politicians are just a façade. They are paid by these elites to steer the boat away from the truth.....Like even watching CNN, Jim Acosta was visibly disturbed when he hear the cylindrical object thing, and was obviously thinking "well is aliens then?". It is a normal reaction, because nobody is familiar in today's day and age with cylindrical things with no visual propulsion flying 40,000 feet in the air, that mess with our top air to air fighter pilots' sensors. Either they made it seem like aliens on purpose. Or it was an oversight. I never really thought it was aliens, but the choice of wording, and choice of what information to reveal was certainly odd, and seemed to almost purposefully imply these things are alien crafts, for whatever reason.(4)>>David Grusch of being a liar. How are his claims any different than anybody else who’s claimed, over the years, to have insider knowledge that our govt, and others, possess recovered alien vehicles and technology?He admits everything he’s claiming is hearsay, and he possesses no evidence.When it comes to things like this, I always remember the old saying, “the only way 3 people can keep a secret is if 2 of them are dead”. I just don’t think anyone could keep a secret of this magnitude. I don’t know what I don’t know, though. A story on TheDebrief.org, written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, quoted Grey in support of Grusch's assertions, saying, "Jonathan Grey, the intelligence officer specializing in UAP analysis at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified here under the identity he uses inside the agency." Grey is also quoted in the piece as saying, "The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone." Its just extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far there is nothing. There is a reason why a number of science experts are kind of scoffing about all this, because its just the usual stuff. There's no data that can be replicated, there's no hard evidence, there is nothing. People have been seeing ghosts for thousands of years, doesn't mean ghosts are real. Government programs have looked into psychics and other paranormal senses, doesn't mean they exist. Some people in this thread are already going on about ancient aliens and whatnot, which is just extreme.The cat is out of the bag now. People who used to ridicule the idea are now grappling with the reality that there is actual evidence beyond anecdotal. They have no answers. NASA is even now studying it.While I have no idea what these sightings (orbs, saucers, etc.) are, I tend to think they are either our own secret high-tech craft.....or maybe something from China. As for this fellas claims of alien spaceship crashes (several he says), including alien bodies.....well, how can a secret like that be kept? And if these aliens have the technology and ability to travel hundreds of light years through space....why would they just blow it upon arriving at earth and crash? Not only once but several times? I don't know....pretty hard to swallow. Maybe what he says is true though....like I say I honestly want to believe.(5)>>SO how about UFOs ?False information is ubiquitous, persistent, and potentially harmful.In conjunction with the circulation of claims of election fraud and misinformation throughout the country, the public’s trust in our democratic system subsequently declined as well. SO WHY NOT REINVENT A OLD LIE & Since then, Americans’ passion for alien visitation has proved tough to shake, even when the evidence is clear that no spaceships have touched down or crash landed. Officials have sometimes sought to be transparent about what they know, according to documents and interviews, but in other instances allowed confusion and conspiracy theories to take root as a useful cover-up for top-secret military programs.Americans now realize the federal government has been lying to them for months and even years. It lied about Trump, about the Bidens, and about COVID-19, and much, much more. Unfortunately, as Ronald Reagan knew, federal government lying goes back nearly a century. Of course, Ronald Reagan famously proclaimed: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” “A government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!” and “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” With such a realistic, some might say cynical, view of government, it is not surprising that Reagan recognized the government lied to the American people. The radical left has given itself the distinction of being the arbiter of "misinformation" and that should be very disturbing to freedom loving Americans.History is repeating itself. Even though we have been told that’s what happens when you don’t learn from the past. Or worse; you don’t listen. Even worse than that is that some of the very people in Washington whom are behind this actually lived to see what suppression of speech and government education caused. It will probably take WWIII to wake the far left out of their dream world.(6)>>news media works with the DEEP STATE . Tucker Carlson clearly explained how the general public was gaslighted by the mainstream media and big tech about Trump since 2016. The power of the Deep State to deceive is not new. Goes back many decades. At its core is the UFO/ET issue and what happened in Antarctica in 1947. Then there’s the more devious kind of news stories circulated by one of the biggest propagators of fake news: the U.S. government.Anyone with an ounce of sense and access to the Internet should be able to ferret out the truth and lies in these stories with some basic research. That these stories flourish is largely owing to the general gullibility, laziness and media illiteracy of the general public, which through its learned compliance rarely questions, challenges or confronts.In the midst of the government and corporate media’s carefully curated apoplexy over fake news, you won’t hear much about the government’s own role in producing, planting and peddling propaganda-driven fake news—often with the help of the corporate news media—because that’s not how the game works.The hypothesis that many UFO sightings are probes from an Alien mothership gains more traction with mainstream media. Politico just published a story on the theory. Why now? Space Arks are activating, releasing probes & Deep State can't stop disclosure.(7)>>to the point the U.S. military finally admitted recently that UFO encounters may come with the territory. Still, despite this, there is no concrete evidence of aliens. People have been talking about alien visitors and their craft for decades. People talk about all sorts of things of varying validity.What I'm speaking of is actual physical evidence. NOW there is an extremely small percentage of encounters that the Pentagon has confirmed are real objects, are not weather, are not our drones, are not adversary objects, and also move in ways impossible for an aircraft. when the last report was declassified I believe those accounted for like 8 encounters of a thousand recorded. Those are the only ones that could be aliens. My theory is that this is US technology that is highly classified but in use or being field tested. The vast majority of the DoD and military wouldn't even know it exists. Compartmentalisation in action.A lot of all this is garbage too. It's hoaxes, atmospheric phenomena, military etc. However, the ever-growing number of unexplainable is quite remarkable. Could it all be a giant hoax? Yes. For the longest time I thought it was but I've gone the other way now on this.The CIA has studied the ramifications it would have on humanity and world's religions. I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. I think many are, but a large chunk of the world is not. If only those humans applied the same level of skepticism to their own deeply held beliefs as they do on this topic...(8)>>CASE IN POINT BOB LAZAR . REMEMBER LAZAR who CLAIMED he worked at AREA 51 . Bob Lazar has always struck me as a man who may have some second hand knowledge, and perhaps has had conversations with people who have been at S4 to have some of the details he provides. Perhaps the stories he tells are not his own, but rather his way of conveying information that he has heard, probably with a lot of his own personal interpretations and biases. I think he knows someone who knows something, but probably only told Bob bits and pieces, which of course could also just be planted disinformation. Imagine being someone like Bob Lazar who was stalked, threatened and harassed by deep state, defamed by media, shunned by colleagues and had his life ruined for speaking out on area 51 and UFO's, to then see the government admit he was speaking the truth all along.. 
Bob Lazar could be a fraud. But the interesting part is, S4 is confirmed to exist by another party. It is top secret. They probably don't make weather balloons or the next generation of toasters and Bob Lazar was the first to mention the existence of it, indirectly being the first whistleblower regarding Area 51 and S4.Area-51 is a test area for our latest aircraft. But if the US government was testing or trying to reverse engineer alien craft they haven’t done it there for decades. Their plan is to get everyone to look at Area 51, not Dugway Proving Ground or other places. Lazar has just enough info that can be verified. Every so often someone says they saw Lazar working or teaching at places he claimed to be. It’s only one person or someone hears it second hand. Just enough to keep this popping up.See the thing is about Bob Lazar story is you can deny it for only so long then it hits you like a ton of bricks he isn't lying. To many odd things happen that wouldn't help anyone but the government like erasing his employment history. How did he know about element 115 before it was even made/discover. How anti gravity and how it worked it made logical sense, even though we have know idea how it works. Not to mention he has never changed his story no matter what. I also saw the documentary on him he got raided by the FBI there still messing with this man.(9)>>Thirty years ago he described element 115, which scientists scoffed at, now having recently been brought into existence. Grusch claimed that one reason these recovered craft were clearly non-human, was the weird mix of elements, including really high-up atomic elements, in sophisticated atomic level arrangements. Lazar's claims of Element 115 would fit the bill for this - but he never mentioned the advanced structural arrangements.But thinking about it, Lazar claims to have been at S4 in the mid to late 80's. Back then, presumably scanning and analysis equipment was highly crude compared to what we have today. Perhaps he couldn't detect whatever atomic level structural interleaving of elements might be present in the metal samples. the best his equipment could come up with was just one super heavy element.Element 115, an alleged extraterrestrial element, takes the spotlight. Lazar reveals its unique properties that could revolutionize advanced propulsion systems! 
it's hard to say, mascovium was discovered in 2003, which is what science calls element 115, it's highly unstable and decays rapidly. although there may be an isotope that is stable, at least that is what lazar claimed. it is interesting as well that the 4chan leaker also mentioned 115 as the element used to create the weak gravitational field. Also, lazar mentions (via Joe Rogan podcast) that the element 115 is triangular shaped, sits inside of a sphere, and the base of the sphere there is a square plate which contains a cyclotron, which I suppose amplifies the gravitational waves. As of today people kinda know what causes gravity(higgs boson + interactions with the higgs field) but it's really in it's infancy. What needs to happen is Grusch needs to be given another 60 min interview with a credible news outlet. Love bob to death but it won't help anyone doing that.Grusch never once mentioned that the elements were spurious or unknown. They WERE in weird configurations and likely isotopes but nothing anomalous. Again, unless we can get basically a list of ratios and isotopes were in the dark. (10)>>Bob Lazar has is that he brought Area 51 to the attention of the American public. Never understood the hate Lazar has always gotten on this sub. Yeah he invested in a Brothel. Thats the one knock on him. Everyone always argues that because there is no record of him at I believe MIT, he’s all bs. To me it has always seemed like he gets an unreasonable amount of people saying that hes all BS. We all should know about the lengths people have gone to in an effort to cover up this entire topic. Could easily see him constantly being bashed on here as an orchestrated effort to try and discredit and make people think hes full of shit, which is definitely working. But, this report should also shed light on — and, in theory, resolve — a thirty-year old, major UFO puzzle with Nevada origins: did a young physicist named Bob Lazar actually work on captured extraterrestrial spacecraft at a secret government facility called S-4, in Lincoln County near Area 51? Lazar surfaced publicly in 1989, when he was interviewed by my former colleague George Knapp of KLAS-TV, Las Vegas. At first, Lazar spoke only in silhouette, and used the pseudonym “Dennis”. Later, he came forward under his own name and with no disguise. Lazar’s claims were fantastic: that the U.S government had, in its possession, nine crashed or captive spacecraft from another world — at least one of them shaped like an actual saucer. Lazar claimed he’d been part of a team hired by the government to “reverse-engineer” the craft, which would unlock for American scientists the propulsion secrets they needed to pave a path to the stars. Lazar said he was fired from his job at the clandestine military base because he brought some friends into the desert near Area 51 one evening to surreptitiously watch a saucer being test flown. A Lincoln County deputy caught the group leaving the area and the deputy ratted Lazar out to the government. He claims the government wiped his records which if what he is saying is true I certainly do if ibwherr in the governments shoes. He came and was public about it so it wouldn't be smart to ice him, so do the next best thing. Cancel him. . Which the CIA has done before. I have a feeling well know for sure here n the next couple of years Well know .(11)>>AGAIN LIKE David Grusch All of the possibilities are disturbing. I'm normally as cynical, except that the US military have been tasked with proving they need an increase to tackle extraterrestrial threats a few times, they couldn't even pretend it was necessary.One of those cases where the truth is probably more sad than a skeptical review. That military will get whatever they want, taking funding to prevent some invasion would highlight the stupidity of a lot of the rest of their funding.Yep the entire thing is an intelligence psyop. They want people to believe it’s aliens so they can keep plausible deniability about having technology that explode peoples minds and change the fabric of society. Because there is nothing to show. It's a UFO money grift. When there is something to show, it's teased and built up and monetized.Remember Steven Scam Greer's UFO documentary for sale of a alien which was not an alien. They collect money and move on to the next fake UFO story grift.These people are hustlers, it's a con, it's big business and a career for these frauds. Follow the money! Promise everything but proof of nothing because there is nothing but stories. A source on top of a source and it goes on and on. The shell game UFO con continues.
. kinda crazy that about 1 year ago the gov't was like oh yeah there are objects in the sky that we can't identify, and 2 days ago a respected int official whistle blows that the gov't has been hiding "non-human origin" crafts/materials David Charles Grusch, 36, is a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, and a former Pentagon official. He claims the US gov't has been hiding UFO info for decades. "There is something here we don't understand." What exactly does he claim they are hiding? The Debrief report says US Navy has been tracking UFOs that defy known flight laws."Not from any known country or program." Is he telling the truth?Learn more: bit.ly/43qttI5. (1.3)>>David Grusch is NO BOB LAZAR .The would-be whistle-blower in this case, David Grusch, isn’t touting fraudulent credentials; he’s a former national-security professional who was assigned to the then-newly-created Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (lately rebooted as the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) from 2019-22.Grusch says he was not personally part of a UFO exploitation program but rather spoke to numerous people involved with it. And while Grusch says he has provided Congress with the names and locations of people and efforts related to the program, we are not privy to this information. The divided reaction in Congress to Grusch's claims underlines the broader issue. Here’s how Lazar has told the story: As a physicist educated at M.I.T. and Caltech, he was hired by the U.S. Navy in the 1980s to work as a technician at “S-4,” a subsidiary of Area 51. By his account, the facility contains nine recovered flying saucers; in addition, Lazar has claimed glimpses of alien cadavers and briefings on human contact with the Zeta Reticuli star system. First, the U.S. government and military retain multiple, extremely sensitive programs designed to secure and assess advanced foreign military technologies, including satellites, missile systems, aircraft, and an increasing array of drones.Equally important, the unwillingness of different U.S. intelligence services to share information with one another means that conspiracy theories are sometimes born in the absence of one agency's understanding as to what is going on in another agency. This reflects a deeper concern in relation to the UFO subject and the U.S. government. Namely, that numerous people in the military, intelligence community, and Congress who have the clearances and credible mission-need-to-know about a UFO exploitation program apparently do not know about it.Lazar’s credibility has been a subject of scrutiny. Skeptics have pointed out inconsistencies in his background, including the fact that the educational institutions he claimed to have attended had no record of him. Additionally, Lazar faced legal trouble, being charged for involvement in an illegal activity unrelated to his UFO claims. While Lazar has provided limited physical evidence, such as a W-2 form indicating income from the Department of Naval Intelligence, even that has been questioned for its authenticity.(2)>>The government is very good at hiding secrets. The US government has been urged to disclose evidence of Unexplained Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), or UFOs, I mean, Bob Lazar said he worked on these reverse engineered UFOs in the 90s and it looked like they were molds that were mass produced. We've had old retired guys regurgitating the same stuff probably before then. His admission that there are documents he has and hey congress, look at this. Are validating those claims. Yes, Navy pilots and other military personnel have been seeing mysterious flying objects for decades; a Navy task force reviewed 144 sightings by U.S. government personnel . I don't think there's any amount of "solid" evidence that Grusch and the government can present that will convince any skeptic, unless any of these strange phenomenon happens personally in front of them. And even then they can refuse their own experience because "I was probably hallucinating because I didn't drink enough water that day".UFO believers and UFO researchers were more likely to see the report confirm their acceptance of a large-scale deception by the US military. So-called "independent critics" also claimed that it was unlikely that witnesses would confuse later, over a decade crashes of test dummies with a single event from 1947.We can only imagine the confusion and concern when the informed elite of the United States Government discovered that an alien spacecraft piloted by insect like beings from a totally incomprehensible culture had crashed in the desert of New Mexico.Between January 1947 and December 1952 at least 16 crashed or downed alien craft, 65 alien bodies, and 1 live alien were recovered. An additional alien craft had exploded and nothing was recovered from that incident. Of these incidents, 13 occurred within the borders of the United States not including the craft which disintegrated in the air. Of these 13, 1 was in Arizona, 11 were in New Mexico, and 1 was in Nevada. Three occured in foreign countries. Of those 1 was in Norway, and the last 2 were in Mexico. Sightings of UFO's were so numerous that serious investigation and debunking of each report became impossible utilizing the existing intelligence assets.So: the US government has not only been investigating UFOs, but has admitted the fact. More than that: in an article published in 2021 the New Yorker revealed that the US government had actively attempted to hide its interest by discrediting reports of unexplained stuff in the sky, in 1966 going as far as to hire CBS News’s Walter Cronkite to host a documentary with the magnificent title: UFO: Friend, Foe or Fantasy? When U.S. officials describe these incidents, they often use language that's purposefully vague, such as "high altitude airborne objects." It's an attempt to be accurate while still reporting preliminary data, but the approach can be intriguing, and it also provokes public speculation.For instance, here's Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, talking about that day's shootdown: "We have no further details about the object at this time, including any description of its capabilities, purpose, or origin."When a reporter asked VanHerck if the U.S. military has ruled out potential actions by extraterrestrials, he did not dismiss the idea.(3)>> Aliens are ALWAYS a distraction. I’m confused as to why something as crazy as whats going on right now is being reduced by many to being a “distraction”. Its quite frustrating.The crazy thing is that the CBS national defense correspondent believed that these objects are unrelated to China. To be clear I think they are balloons but whose would they be if not China?There have certainly been distractions from things in the past but the claims with these make no sense. People are saying they are distracting from the Ohio incident but that is being covered quite largely on national news.Conspiracy theories used to be fun stuff like the US government trying to cover up Roswell. Now people seem to think politicians from every country in the world are capable of agreeing to some giant secret master plan.It’s bizarre. They seem to think COVID > vaccine > Ukraine > UFOs are all some mass attempt at…distraction? “They” are trying to usher in the New World Order & we should be afraid because…?They have the power, but what guarantees that they keep it? The answer is to manipulate the system so the power stays in their hands. I think you'd be surprised how far the elites would go to keep this the case. Politicians are just a façade. They are paid by these elites to steer the boat away from the truth.....Like even watching CNN, Jim Acosta was visibly disturbed when he hear the cylindrical object thing, and was obviously thinking "well is aliens then?". It is a normal reaction, because nobody is familiar in today's day and age with cylindrical things with no visual propulsion flying 40,000 feet in the air, that mess with our top air to air fighter pilots' sensors. Either they made it seem like aliens on purpose. Or it was an oversight. I never really thought it was aliens, but the choice of wording, and choice of what information to reveal was certainly odd, and seemed to almost purposefully imply these things are alien crafts, for whatever reason.(4)>>David Grusch of being a liar. How are his claims any different than anybody else who’s claimed, over the years, to have insider knowledge that our govt, and others, possess recovered alien vehicles and technology?He admits everything he’s claiming is hearsay, and he possesses no evidence.When it comes to things like this, I always remember the old saying, “the only way 3 people can keep a secret is if 2 of them are dead”. I just don’t think anyone could keep a secret of this magnitude. I don’t know what I don’t know, though. A story on TheDebrief.org, written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, quoted Grey in support of Grusch's assertions, saying, "Jonathan Grey, the intelligence officer specializing in UAP analysis at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified here under the identity he uses inside the agency." Grey is also quoted in the piece as saying, "The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone." Its just extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far there is nothing. There is a reason why a number of science experts are kind of scoffing about all this, because its just the usual stuff. There's no data that can be replicated, there's no hard evidence, there is nothing. People have been seeing ghosts for thousands of years, doesn't mean ghosts are real. Government programs have looked into psychics and other paranormal senses, doesn't mean they exist. Some people in this thread are already going on about ancient aliens and whatnot, which is just extreme.The cat is out of the bag now. People who used to ridicule the idea are now grappling with the reality that there is actual evidence beyond anecdotal. They have no answers. NASA is even now studying it.While I have no idea what these sightings (orbs, saucers, etc.) are, I tend to think they are either our own secret high-tech craft.....or maybe something from China. As for this fellas claims of alien spaceship crashes (several he says), including alien bodies.....well, how can a secret like that be kept? And if these aliens have the technology and ability to travel hundreds of light years through space....why would they just blow it upon arriving at earth and crash? Not only once but several times? I don't know....pretty hard to swallow. Maybe what he says is true though....like I say I honestly want to believe.(5)>>SO how about UFOs ?False information is ubiquitous, persistent, and potentially harmful.In conjunction with the circulation of claims of election fraud and misinformation throughout the country, the public’s trust in our democratic system subsequently declined as well. SO WHY NOT REINVENT A OLD LIE & Since then, Americans’ passion for alien visitation has proved tough to shake, even when the evidence is clear that no spaceships have touched down or crash landed. Officials have sometimes sought to be transparent about what they know, according to documents and interviews, but in other instances allowed confusion and conspiracy theories to take root as a useful cover-up for top-secret military programs.Americans now realize the federal government has been lying to them for months and even years. It lied about Trump, about the Bidens, and about COVID-19, and much, much more. Unfortunately, as Ronald Reagan knew, federal government lying goes back nearly a century. Of course, Ronald Reagan famously proclaimed: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” “A government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!” and “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” With such a realistic, some might say cynical, view of government, it is not surprising that Reagan recognized the government lied to the American people. The radical left has given itself the distinction of being the arbiter of "misinformation" and that should be very disturbing to freedom loving Americans.History is repeating itself. Even though we have been told that’s what happens when you don’t learn from the past. Or worse; you don’t listen. Even worse than that is that some of the very people in Washington whom are behind this actually lived to see what suppression of speech and government education caused. It will probably take WWIII to wake the far left out of their dream world.(6)>>news media works with the DEEP STATE . Tucker Carlson clearly explained how the general public was gaslighted by the mainstream media and big tech about Trump since 2016. The power of the Deep State to deceive is not new. Goes back many decades. At its core is the UFO/ET issue and what happened in Antarctica in 1947. Then there’s the more devious kind of news stories circulated by one of the biggest propagators of fake news: the U.S. government.Anyone with an ounce of sense and access to the Internet should be able to ferret out the truth and lies in these stories with some basic research. That these stories flourish is largely owing to the general gullibility, laziness and media illiteracy of the general public, which through its learned compliance rarely questions, challenges or confronts.In the midst of the government and corporate media’s carefully curated apoplexy over fake news, you won’t hear much about the government’s own role in producing, planting and peddling propaganda-driven fake news—often with the help of the corporate news media—because that’s not how the game works.The hypothesis that many UFO sightings are probes from an Alien mothership gains more traction with mainstream media. Politico just published a story on the theory. Why now? Space Arks are activating, releasing probes & Deep State can't stop disclosure.(7)>>to the point the U.S. military finally admitted recently that UFO encounters may come with the territory. Still, despite this, there is no concrete evidence of aliens. People have been talking about alien visitors and their craft for decades. People talk about all sorts of things of varying validity.What I'm speaking of is actual physical evidence. NOW there is an extremely small percentage of encounters that the Pentagon has confirmed are real objects, are not weather, are not our drones, are not adversary objects, and also move in ways impossible for an aircraft. when the last report was declassified I believe those accounted for like 8 encounters of a thousand recorded. Those are the only ones that could be aliens. My theory is that this is US technology that is highly classified but in use or being field tested. The vast majority of the DoD and military wouldn't even know it exists. Compartmentalisation in action.A lot of all this is garbage too. It's hoaxes, atmospheric phenomena, military etc. However, the ever-growing number of unexplainable is quite remarkable. Could it all be a giant hoax? Yes. For the longest time I thought it was but I've gone the other way now on this.The CIA has studied the ramifications it would have on humanity and world's religions. I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. I think many are, but a large chunk of the world is not. If only those humans applied the same level of skepticism to their own deeply held beliefs as they do on this topic...(8)>>CASE IN POINT BOB LAZAR . REMEMBER LAZAR who CLAIMED he worked at AREA 51 . Bob Lazar has always struck me as a man who may have some second hand knowledge, and perhaps has had conversations with people who have been at S4 to have some of the details he provides. Perhaps the stories he tells are not his own, but rather his way of conveying information that he has heard, probably with a lot of his own personal interpretations and biases. I think he knows someone who knows something, but probably only told Bob bits and pieces, which of course could also just be planted disinformation. Imagine being someone like Bob Lazar who was stalked, threatened and harassed by deep state, defamed by media, shunned by colleagues and had his life ruined for speaking out on area 51 and UFO's, to then see the government admit he was speaking the truth all along.. Bob Lazar could be a fraud. But the interesting part is, S4 is confirmed to exist by another party. It is top secret. They probably don't make weather balloons or the next generation of toasters and Bob Lazar was the first to mention the existence of it, indirectly being the first whistleblower regarding Area 51 and S4.Area-51 is a test area for our latest aircraft. But if the US government was testing or trying to reverse engineer alien craft they haven’t done it there for decades. Their plan is to get everyone to look at Area 51, not Dugway Proving Ground or other places. Lazar has just enough info that can be verified. Every so often someone says they saw Lazar working or teaching at places he claimed to be. It’s only one person or someone hears it second hand. Just enough to keep this popping up.See the thing is about Bob Lazar story is you can deny it for only so long then it hits you like a ton of bricks he isn't lying. To many odd things happen that wouldn't help anyone but the government like erasing his employment history. How did he know about element 115 before it was even made/discover. How anti gravity and how it worked it made logical sense, even though we have know idea how it works. Not to mention he has never changed his story no matter what. I also saw the documentary on him he got raided by the FBI there still messing with this man.(9)>>Thirty years ago he described element 115, which scientists scoffed at, now having recently been brought into existence. Grusch claimed that one reason these recovered craft were clearly non-human, was the weird mix of elements, including really high-up atomic elements, in sophisticated atomic level arrangements. Lazar's claims of Element 115 would fit the bill for this - but he never mentioned the advanced structural arrangements.But thinking about it, Lazar claims to have been at S4 in the mid to late 80's. Back then, presumably scanning and analysis equipment was highly crude compared to what we have today. Perhaps he couldn't detect whatever atomic level structural interleaving of elements might be present in the metal samples. the best his equipment could come up with was just one super heavy element.Element 115, an alleged extraterrestrial element, takes the spotlight. Lazar reveals its unique properties that could revolutionize advanced propulsion systems! it's hard to say, mascovium was discovered in 2003, which is what science calls element 115, it's highly unstable and decays rapidly. although there may be an isotope that is stable, at least that is what lazar claimed. it is interesting as well that the 4chan leaker also mentioned 115 as the element used to create the weak gravitational field. Also, lazar mentions (via Joe Rogan podcast) that the element 115 is triangular shaped, sits inside of a sphere, and the base of the sphere there is a square plate which contains a cyclotron, which I suppose amplifies the gravitational waves. As of today people kinda know what causes gravity(higgs boson + interactions with the higgs field) but it's really in it's infancy. What needs to happen is Grusch needs to be given another 60 min interview with a credible news outlet. Love bob to death but it won't help anyone doing that.Grusch never once mentioned that the elements were spurious or unknown. They WERE in weird configurations and likely isotopes but nothing anomalous. Again, unless we can get basically a list of ratios and isotopes were in the dark. (10)>>Bob Lazar has is that he brought Area 51 to the attention of the American public. Never understood the hate Lazar has always gotten on this sub. Yeah he invested in a Brothel. Thats the one knock on him. Everyone always argues that because there is no record of him at I believe MIT, he’s all bs. To me it has always seemed like he gets an unreasonable amount of people saying that hes all BS. We all should know about the lengths people have gone to in an effort to cover up this entire topic. Could easily see him constantly being bashed on here as an orchestrated effort to try and discredit and make people think hes full of shit, which is definitely working. But, this report should also shed light on — and, in theory, resolve — a thirty-year old, major UFO puzzle with Nevada origins: did a young physicist named Bob Lazar actually work on captured extraterrestrial spacecraft at a secret government facility called S-4, in Lincoln County near Area 51? Lazar surfaced publicly in 1989, when he was interviewed by my former colleague George Knapp of KLAS-TV, Las Vegas. At first, Lazar spoke only in silhouette, and used the pseudonym “Dennis”. Later, he came forward under his own name and with no disguise. Lazar’s claims were fantastic: that the U.S government had, in its possession, nine crashed or captive spacecraft from another world — at least one of them shaped like an actual saucer. Lazar claimed he’d been part of a team hired by the government to “reverse-engineer” the craft, which would unlock for American scientists the propulsion secrets they needed to pave a path to the stars. Lazar said he was fired from his job at the clandestine military base because he brought some friends into the desert near Area 51 one evening to surreptitiously watch a saucer being test flown. A Lincoln County deputy caught the group leaving the area and the deputy ratted Lazar out to the government. He claims the government wiped his records which if what he is saying is true I certainly do if ibwherr in the governments shoes. He came and was public about it so it wouldn't be smart to ice him, so do the next best thing. Cancel him. . Which the CIA has done before. I have a feeling well know for sure here n the next couple of years Well know .(11)>>AGAIN LIKE David Grusch All of the possibilities are disturbing. I'm normally as cynical, except that the US military have been tasked with proving they need an increase to tackle extraterrestrial threats a few times, they couldn't even pretend it was necessary.One of those cases where the truth is probably more sad than a skeptical review. That military will get whatever they want, taking funding to prevent some invasion would highlight the stupidity of a lot of the rest of their funding.Yep the entire thing is an intelligence psyop. They want people to believe it’s aliens so they can keep plausible deniability about having technology that explode peoples minds and change the fabric of society. Because there is nothing to show. It's a UFO money grift. When there is something to show, it's teased and built up and monetized.Remember Steven Scam Greer's UFO documentary for sale of a alien which was not an alien. They collect money and move on to the next fake UFO story grift.These people are hustlers, it's a con, it's big business and a career for these frauds. Follow the money! Promise everything but proof of nothing because there is nothing but stories. A source on top of a source and it goes on and on. The shell game UFO con continues.