WHY the NARRATIVES are FALLING APART a
"tale of two countries "
Let's Admit to ourselves . WE as American citizens have been played for decades , and decades . With all kinds of Propaganda that been basically to rally citizens for foreign conflicts . With these conflicts huge spending bills are demanded by the US President and most of Congress of the both uni-parties follow . Now , the Narratives is starting to unravel . More and More Americans are looking at the Economy , their standards of living going down , the crumbling infrastructure , the open borders and spikes in crime nationwide . Can we as Americans take anymore of our government not putting America first . So now the NARRATIVES to funding these wars are falling apart . And THERE FUNDING IS BEING QUESTIONED by Congress and the American People. Starting with the USA. People confuse media headlines with actual support.
(1)>>Yes , we have BEEN FLOODED by pro -Ukraine war propaganda
for two years on the national news . It just took another conflict to deviate attention for another war ,
more unnecessary spending . If you look at recently announced Ukraine aid packages by various
NATO members + Biden wanting to push through a massive funding package
for Ukraine, there is no sign of material and financial support abating.
& now Israel with no end. That was the goal. Stir up tensions in the Middle East so funds,
supplies, and attention are diverted..... Now we need a Taiwan-China war just to complete
the set. Right now the most influential country in the world is setting the
worst possible example.. how did we come to this?
That’s fair, and I can’t speak for all Americans, but a lot of folks here
in the US have little trust in our media to do anything other than toe the
line that is given to them. I've heard a lot of folks talking about the ongoing genocide and
I think this is the first time (2)>>I’ve ever really heard people vocally questioning the
narrative being fed to us about Ukraine & Israel. Enough so that folks are talking to me about it on work sites.
NOW obviously there is a very loud group of Americans , but a lot of folks
don’t want our government to be sending more bombs so that Israel can
continue to kill kids.West has always been wholly unwilling to do itself. The US spent hundreds of billions in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years,
and for most of this time, the wars were an afterthought at best, and
actively unpopular at worst. The US government at least has proven itself
to be willing, and able, to shovel absolutely massive quantities of cash
at military endeavors regardless of popular support.
Support for Ukraine fading .
Americans have been suckered to rally in support for Ukraine , another proxy war that Congress rushed into on the idea that it could use Ukraine to mire Russia . The Result is Nuclear escalation, both Russia and the US pulled out of long tested treaties that were put as safeguards to avoid any chance of Nuclear war , each side pulled out .Leaving the world and most of the West & NATO in a dangerous reckless situation . So U.S. and European entreaties that global states cut financial and energy
ties to Russia following the invasion of
(3)>>Ukraine have fallen on deaf ears, while Western attempts to rally international support
behind Israel have faltered.It's imaginable. (4)>>YES RUSSIA IS WINNING !!! The more Israel
obliterates Gaza, the more likely it is for Hezbollah in Lebanon to get into
an all-out war with Israel. (4.1)>>Meanwhile Israel is also trying to use this as
an excuse to finally attack Iran. I'm not making any predictions, as I have no idea how likely these
possibilities are. But the potential is there.From funding and the direct involvement of US intelligence and deployment
of military assets, to causing political distraction and social unrest in
Europe, the timing and scale of this conflict is quite beneficial to Russia. (5)>>Russia has everything to gain and nothing to lose from an escalating
conflict in the middle east. Like in a crime novel, one needs to look at motive to see who was behind
the attack on Israel."How come Israel's intelligence services weren't prepared for this
attack?"...because it was planned in Iran with the support of
Russia.Hamas and are the sacrificial pawns used by Iran to do Russia's bidding.
Maybe Russia promised Iran help to create nuclear weapons in exchange for
their direct and indirect help with the war in Ukraine. lol, Ukraine is fighting the biggest enemy we have and have
historically had for the proxy war cost of dead Ukrainians . We are immensely involved and since Ukraine is fighting it, we just have
to send weapons instead of people.The people who think we aren't involved here are insane. Even if you are
extremely obtuse, we fought in Iraq over oil, why would we not do the same
with Russia? We will be paying 8 bucks or more a gallon come winter all
because of Russia. We should be supporting Ukraine more in the hopes that
Russia can be forced to retreat and give up. Other countries are falling apart over gas prices and wheat prices. The
US is not immune to that, we are already seeing shipping costs driving up
the price of everything.Unfortunately there is a surprisingly large group of people, largely on
the left, who support both Palestine against Israel and Russia against Ukraine, so I think they’re quite happy with it
all, depending on who’s in favor in the Middle East . This is simply too convenient to be a coincidence.
Support for Israel fading .
Now, the brutal Hamas attack on Israel and the even more brutal reprisals
by the Israelis have once again exposed that Western attachment to its own
rules is, at best, situational.Every Ramadan, it seems the Israelis have had a big circle around Masjid
Al-Aqsa, to put it the way Dr Yvonne Ridley put it in a recent discussion. Islam’s third-holiest site becomes the
target of an apartheid state that has consistently gripped control of the
narrative. (6)>>But that control is slowly slipping from their hands as the
world begins to see what is actually going on in Palestine.Through the shaky lenses of worshippers who came under attack by police
armed to the teeth in the dead of night earlier this week, the world
watched in horror (or simply ignored) as Israeli forces demeaned the
sanctity of a religious site. Sparks flew, gas filled the rooms and the
elderly crouched and cried.Israeli forces had stormed the mosque in Ramadan, fired stun grenades and
beat civilians with batons. They then dragged them off to detention for no
crime other than worship. Israel’s frequent attacks on worshippers – termed ‘clashes’ by western
media – often provoke a swell of support from Palestinians in other parts
of the fragmented nation. Quickly, (7)>>Israeli propagandists tell the world a
story of terrorism. This conveniently hides the brute force routinely
meted out to ordinary Palestinians who want no more than the right of
statehood in their own land, the land of their forefathers and the only
place they’ve ever called home.In past Israeli campaigns into Gaza, such as 2012 and 2014, initial support for the Israeli operation faded as sympathies increasingly turned toward the Palestinians who were suffering high civilian casualties in the densely populated landscape. This was buttressed by the Hamas media wing, which effectively used images and video of the conflict, and the resultant suffering, to change international opinion.Perceptions of civilian casualties in Gaza are, in strategic military parlance, the center of gravity for the conflict. High civilian casualties will dissipate Israel's international support and risk limiting the destruction they can rain on Hamas. Each side knows this and will attempt to shape perceptions, in some cases through any means necessary, and false information will play a key role.he (8)>>U.S. public is movable, though not exactly in the way they thought. Polling over the past few years indicates that U.S. support for Israel is on a steady decline.
Neither Ukraine nor Israel needs our Taxpayer Money.
While we were distracted with Ukraine for two years ...US national security advisor Jake Sullivan proclaimed that “the Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades”. But once the hostilities flared up, it became clear that this was not just another spark of the protracted low-intensity conflict which the US government found it's self squabbling for dollars . For MY SELF I BLAME the US government for the both conflicts , the Ukraine Proxy , and now the US led Israeli - Hamas Proxy . (9)>>Again dishing out BILLIONS of DOLLARS and Weapons . Can We as American people afford these conflicts ? When the National interest should be for Peace on both conflicts . Trying to take the temperature here , or better yet hoping to get some insight from others. As the Hamas strike on Israel escalates into retaliation into Gaza and the U.S. is sending aircraft carriers into the Mediterranean (in support of Israel? In the hopes of de-escalation by mere presence ? In full anticipation that this middle Eastern flashpoint is certain to spark broader conflicts and polarization throughout the region) I am left wondering if this will be framed as a “Proxy war” (with popular interpretations as “therefore illegitimate”). And , if NOT a Proxy war of larger players beyond Israel and Palestine , then why are we so ready to declare that the Ukraine War is also puppeteered by larger forces (namely US vs Russia) with so little consideration of the motives for people even civilians defending themselves? (In this case either Israelis or Palestinians).No war is without wider geopolitical interest, but I do also think that some involve so much investment from other nations that a grey area is made. If we take Ukraine / Russia, while I accept that is not a proxy war by dictionary definition, if that leaves us just implying it's a regular "war" then I think that's just as misleading. (10)>>Neither Ukraine nor Israel can afford a defeat that could spell the end
of their existence as sovereign and independent states. Russia wants Ukraine to exist, just like Hamas (and behind it Iran) with
Israel. For Moscow, Ukrainians must return under PEACEFUL
coexistence with Russia’s under authority, which they should
never have left. And Israel must as some point for its's survival try to live with its Palestinian neighbors .
NOTES AND COMMENTS :
(1)>>Yes , we have BEEN FLOODED by pro -Ukraine war propaganda
for two years on the national news . The two years since the "war" or fake invasion of Ukraine by Russia , the
daily news updates ...the whole pro war message is tanking . No American
who has common sense would NEVER have supported Ukraine from the start.
Putting America first should have been the priority of both Democrats and
Republicans. Since 2022 , the US CONGRESS has been cheering on Zalensky as
some kinda of hero . But the Man in the green shit is the biggest CON man
I have ever seen . Support for Ukraine has been
going down hill . Western states are also blamed for hypocrisy in the Palestinian context,
with many drawing parallels with widespread support for Ukraine. As
state-affiliated media platform IraninArabic reports on American political activist Jackson Hinkle’s post:
“If Putin did this to Kyiv, NATO would launch nukes at Moscow.” I Believe people are starting to wake and see how
reckless our government is spending .That’s according to the latest Fox News poll, released support has been
shrinking mostly among conservatives .On whether aiding both Ukraine and Israel comes at the expense of the
United States' own military readiness, its almost impossible to send
billions of dollars of weapons and tax payer money every few months
.(2)>>I’ve ever really heard people vocally questioning the narrative
being fed to us about Ukraine & Israel. Ask yourself this, why have we gone from COVID, to UKRAINE, all in this very short period of time? Now Israel -Hamas war ?This is evidence that their narratives are falling apart at the seams and can no longer be justified to hold people under their spell.This is why us anons laugh, because it has become so overwhelmingly insane, and inverted that you have to. This distortion of reality is shaking peoples belief systems to the core, so much so that it WILL wake up even the most uncaring or asleep of people.President Joe Biden peddled a version , saying Hamas and Putin represent different threats but “both want to
completely annihilate a neighboring democracy. Israel and Ukraine are “one war,” and that the stakes of this one war are
so high — civilization itself hangs in the balance! — that the United
States must get deeply involved in both of them.Congress must dole out funds to Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan right away
—As the Ukraine war has fallen into a brutal and bloody stalemate, the
administration has slowly acceded to the calls for escalation — sending
tanks, then cluster bombs, then approving F-16s via allies, with longer
range missiles soon to follow. It is a course that bets much on the
restraint of Ukraine's leader we’re told is a madman.The U.S. has significantly increased its military presence in the Middle
East in the nearly three weeks after Hamas launched attacks against Israel
and took hundreds of hostages on Oct. 7. Among other things, the Pentagon
has deployed two aircraft carrier strike groups as well as a range of
fighter aircraft to the region.(3)>>Ukraine have fallen on deaf ears. As a result, Ukraine has found itself between a rock and a hard place. On
the one hand, it’s important for Kyiv to emphasize its unity with the West
and not to fall out with Israel, a valuable potential ally. On the other
hand, overly enthusiastic support for the Israelis could damage Ukraine’s
relations with countries in the Global South, for whose sympathies Kyiv
has been actively vying with Moscow. But as the death toll in the Gaza Strip has been constantly increasing,
now in its thousands, Zelensky was slow to acknowledge the suffering of Palestinian civilians. He avoided criticizing Israel's
indiscriminate airstrikes and blockade of the enclave, seen by international organizations as collective punishment.(4)>>YES RUSSIA IS WINNING !!! Western propaganda kept repeating that Russia's defeat on the battlefield was granted, the fact almost two years have passed and this did not happen, on the contrary Russia is winning, has been another disaster in terms of image for the "mighty West" and its "reliable" media.In conclusion if the goal was to weaken Russia then the opposite became reality, the West is enormously weakened: ruined economies, growing degeneracy, less security, less democracy, more inequality, increasingly discredited elites with no popular support and a bunker mentality.These doofuses believe their own propaganda, which is kind of sad. Russia isn't going to invade Poland l, Finland, or even the Baltic states. But now that it is winning on the battlefield again, yes, it probably will take more of southeastern Ukraine.(4.1)>>Meanwhile Israel is also trying to use this as an excuse to finally attack Iran.The Biden team is emboldening Iran. By distancing the US from Israel, by validating the critics of Israel who justify violence against it while simultaneously failing to deter Tehran, Biden and his team are encouraging Iran, Hezbollah and the Houthis to attack harder. Dumb. Israeli newspapers broke the news that their government was considering a plan to take out Iranian nuclear facilities.While at the same fighting Hamas in Gaza . Since then, recriminations about who leaked the plans and to what end have been splashed across the region’s dailies. The Iranians, for their part, have responded defiantly to the possibility of such an attack. And yet — revealing the ambivalence of regional attitudes toward Iran — few governments, if any, have condemned the plan outright.Israel wants to draw the US into a conflict with Iran .To speak of an imminent and undisguised IDF strike deep inside Iranian territory is to overlook a long-established norm that has for decades governed U.S.-Israel relations: Israel cannot simply ignore the wishes and concerns of its chief patron, especially when core U.S. foreign policy priorities are at stake.(5)>>Russia has everything to gain and nothing to lose from an escalating conflict in the middle east. The counteroffensive failed. There's no denying that. The Ukrainians are only taking back a few square meters a day, and morale is getting lower and lower. The Russians keep attacking critical Ukrainian infrastructure. This is quickly turning into a war of attrition, which favors Russia since Putin has more men to throw into the meat grinder than Zelenskyy. Additionally, Ukraine has mobilized; Russia has not. Russia is not fighting at its full potential, whereas Ukraine is fighting as hard as they can reasonably be expected to. The only way I see Ukraine winning the war is if Russia withdraws, which I think is highly unlikely; if it were going to happen, it would have happened already.The only thing that could change this is if NATO directly intervenes, which won't happen, and it arguably shouldn't happen since it risks nuclear war. Additionally, Ukraine has a limited time frame to make this happen, for one main reason: Donald Trump.The 2024 US presidential election looms large over this war. Trump often lies, but he isn't lying when he says he'd end the war in 24 hours. He just doesn't tell you how he'll end the war. I believe that if Trump wins a second term, and the war is still ongoing, he will pull the US out of NATO and/or stop arming Ukraine. Other European countries might keep supporting Ukraine, but if the US pulls out of the war (or starts supporting Russia), it will become fairly easy for Russia to turn the tide in this war. Even if Trump doesn't win in 2024, it's likely that a Republican (maybe even Trump again) will win in 2028 due to the way US politics swing back and forth, and then Ukraine loses. And, for reasons outlined above, I don't see Russia withdrawing willingly. The Israel -Hamas conflict shifted attention away for Ukraine , pretty much putting the US CONGRESS into funding conflicts . It's A GOOD think that this , sorry to say OCT 7th Hamas attack pretty much was what Russia needed.(6)>>But that control is slowly slipping from their hands as the world begins to see what is actually going on in Palestine.The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law. This system is maintained by violations which Amnesty International found to constitute apartheid as a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute and Apartheid Convention.Denouncing the systematic crimes and aggression committed by the occupying authority Israel against the Palestinian people, the Kuwaiti representative stressed that such hostility inflames Muslims around the world, undermines regional stability and fuels hatred and violence. He urged the Security Council to hold the Israeli occupation forces responsible, noting that Israelis need to stop acting as if the rights of the Palestinian people are not covered by international law.(7)>>Israeli propagandists tell the world a story of terrorism. It should be pointed out that this failed propaganda does not prevent Israel from slaughtering hundreds of innocent Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank daily. And that most European countries and the US are in sync with the Israeli narrative. In other words, it can be said that for many important decision-makers, Israel’s propaganda has been successful.The failure to endorse the Israeli version of versions is due primarily to its irremediable contradiction of the truth. For three weeks now, Israel’s hasbara — propaganda — has been mired with clear fallacies and paradoxes. For example, the World Health Organisation (WHO) rebuffed Israel’s claim that it had ordered the evacuation of Al-Ahli Hospital before it was bombed. The WHO described the Israeli demand to evacuate hospitals as a “death sentence for the sick and injured.” At the same time, Human Rights Watch reported that Israel used white phosphorus bombs against Palestinian hospitals. In other words, Israel’s bombing of a hospital was routine, disregard for human life.(8)>>U.S. public is movable, though not exactly in the way they thought. The Israel-Gaza conflict is not a war. It is a war crime similar to those committed by the US during the Vietnam war, when America’s government lied about the threats it faced in order to justify its conduct, including carpet-bombing the Southeast Asian country.The fact we are less than a year away from presidential and congressional elections has increased the volume of the anti-Arab lies from candidates who hope to win the support of brainwashed American voters. For example, Nikki Haley, who aims to win the Republican nomination for president, openly called on Israel to continue the carnage and to “finish Hamas.” “Hamas” frequently appears to be used to describe all Palestinians in Gaza. Haley’s rival Ron DeSantis said that not all Palestinians in Gaza are Hamas, but they are “all antisemitic.”But while Israeli activists dominate the halls of Congress, they are slowly losing the public relations war. Despite all their expensive strategies, lobbying, campaign donations and name-calling, they cannot stop videos and images of their carnage, of dead civilians, from reaching the American public.Another reason this war is not so well hidden is because Israel is waging it, not the United States. The US is supplying most of the weapons, has sent aircraft carriers to the region, and dispatched US Marine General James Glynn to provide tactical advice based on his experience conducting similar massacres in Fallujah and Mosul in Iraq. But Israeli leaders seem to have overestimated the extent to which the US information warfare machine would shield them from public scrutiny and political accountability. (9)>>Again dishing out BILLIONS of DOLLARS and Weapons . The U.S. Is Spending a Fortune on War and a Pittance on the Climate Crisis: While the U.S. sends tens of billions of dollars to Israel and Ukraine, countries in the global south are left pleading for pennies.Also, housing, education, healthcare, INFLATION, all our billionaires keep getting their handouts but the average taxpayer gets to fund everything while being royally screwed in the anus.But sure…. Giving Ukraine $75 billion to destroy 60% of the Russian army in a year and a half, that’s just crazy. How dare Biden help a democracy and European ally defend itself. What a waste of money 🤦♂️I don’t think I’m alone when I try to imagine what kind of good things we could do for this country (USA) with $100 bil. You could end homelessness. Invest in universal healthcare. Or you could ship it overseas and watch it get pillaged by corruption. (10)>>Neither Ukraine nor Israel can afford a defeat that could spell the end of their existence . Should also be taking a hard look at the foreign policy establishment in the US as well. We've had opportunities to find some sort of peaceful middle ground with Iran - and we've had factions in the US actively blow that up. Making peace with an enemy is almost the same thing as defeating them - it takes adversaries off the board.Just because they don't have the same amount of technology, money or arms to provide Ukraine doesn't mean they stand with Russia. Many nations are simply too poor to help in any substantial way. Both sides have committed horrible atrocities. Neither has the high moral ground. But one side is one of the most powerful governments in the middle east and the other is a displaced people trapped in what is effectively an apartheid state.Those in power have a responsibility to not oppress. Israel lives the nightmare it created and blames the powerless for the result of their oppression.I think I mentioned in my first post how this looks to be connected to Ukraine. Russia-Iran-Hamas are acting in coordination and all getting a benefit. The Ukraine invasion falls further from the world's attention, the Iranian revolution is further ignored, and Hamas gets weapons and training from both. However, certain factions in the US convinced themselves at the American unipolar moment would last forever and pursued absolute maximalist policies. And now here we are. Western diplomats have expressed fears that their governments' rhetoric in support of Israel's bombing campaign in Gaza in the aftermath of the Hamas terrorist attack risks alienating the Global South. The developing world has pointed out how Western support for Ukraine contrasts starkly with the lack of concern for Palestinians suffering under Israeli bombs, which may result in a realignment on Ukraine by African, Middle Eastern, and Asian countries.
