WELL OSAMA BIN LADEN'S Letter somehow mysteriously made a comeback and lol ...stuns young Americans: 'He was right' !!!! . (1)>>THE LETTER has been in circulation on the Internet for nearly 22 years , people all of sudden just found out about it , LIKE OUT OF THE BLUE !? [ Bin Laden] as He did point out flaws in the US. (1.2)>>The American government created Bin Laden , he at one time was fighting the Soviet Russians when they invaded Afghanistan. He was for decades pretty much a CIA Agent & a puppet of the American Military Industrial Complex . In vary similar way like Zelensky in Ukraine. Like anything else , Bin Laden like a long list of 'dictators' propped up by the US turn against America . Compare Saddam Hussein as another example, Bibi Netanyahu and his I'll absolutely legitimize these (1.3)>>hardliners as well with their reliably jewish first worldview(with little room for arabs). . (2)>> So his Letter to Americans . Answer: it went viral on tiktok. The guardian deleted it because they said it was being shared without context.But in the same breath, proceeded to advocate for Sharia Law and to do away with anything considered amoral to that (premarital sex, homosexuality, gambling, etc.)And was found to have porn and video games in his compound. So, there’s that.So yeah, he was right about US hypocrisy, outside of that, dude was a fucknut. you want to throw stones, better live on the moon. Have these children never actually read about American foreign policy?I think using OBL effectively makes the case that US policy results in more human suffering. If we look at him from a perspective of historical analysis rather than individual morality the emergence of Anti-West jihadist movements can be seen as a consequence of imperialism.People are not so black and white as they seem. OBL could say he condemns stomping on puppies and kittens and I would agree. That doesn’t mean I’m promoting or condoning everything he’s saying. (3)>>People are shocked that what he said is really relevant to the current situation in Gaza and they are taking that in how they will. You can absolutely read some works critically and not be a rabid supporter when you’re finished reading. A lot of people read the unabomber manifesto and find themselves agreeing with many points that were made. Doesn’t mean they support the bombing that happened. They probably also have never read about Iran-Iraq war, the invasion of Kuwait, the gassing of Kurds and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Kuwait. Saudi Arabia was also significantly involved in the gulf war but that never gets mentioned since it doesn't fit the narrative. I read that but it makes no sense to me that this letter was written in 2002 and yet there's mention of Obama and Petraeus. This "phenomenon" is about people learning how and why Bin Laden was a terrorist, not anyone worshipping him. (4)>>America teaches that this guy was just a story-book evil person that wanted to murder americans for no reason besides sadism and "hating freedom" - rather than someone radicalized into violence through americas actions mixed with local bigotries and religion. These are teenagers learning that what they've been taught about the terrorism of the 90s/00s was fundamentally wrong and having an ephiphany about how the world isn't just black and white "america good, middle east bad". They're not becoming pro-terrorism or pro-Bin Laden. That's not how this works.I suspect this comment section is just half invaded by worldnews poster (and checking the post history of some confirms this), given nobody is actually informed on this and just imagining random teenagers becoming pro-terrorism so they have people to hate on and further the fake "tiktok is making kids pro-hamas" narrative. (5)>>Some in here are even pretending kids are adopting anti-semitic stances from bin ladens letters on tiktok, like this is just "litter boxes in schools" type misinformation people are sharing all over this thread.Bin Laden’s letter to America is not just a product of the 9/11 attacks, but also of the broader ideological fallout that followed. In February 2002, a group of 60 US public intellectuals wrote a letter making a moral case for the “war on terror”. It began by asserting a series of “fundamental truths that pertain to all people without distinction” of which the first simply stated: “All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.”As the New York Times reported, Bin Laden’s letter, published a year after 9/11, defended the attacks in New York and Washington and said Americans had become “servants” to Jews, who he said controlled the country’s economy and media.Some TikTok users said last week that they viewed the document as an awakening to America’s role in global affairs and expressed their disappointment in the United States.Personally (6)>>I don't. I think the people behind 9/11 probably all died on 9/11. It didn't require any outside planning and there's no real evidence of outside planning (other than dubious testimonies given by tortured prisoners).The Bush administration probably (smartly) decided that they could go out and kick some serious ass with the most likely looking target who for sure was a terrorist anyway and win 90% approval levels or they could try and chase down the real culprits and find that there was nobody left alive to punish and get... probably quite awful approval ratings. Nobody likes a wild goose chase.Perhaps the only real solution to this gross cultural, political, and religious disconnect is to do what "normal" human beings do everyday within their respective communities, which is to simply talk and listen. Both sides need to communicate. Until then, there will be no chance for either side to empathize/sympathize with one another and foster an altruistic relationship. Of course, when you involve something as visceral and impenetrable as religion/dogma, all those options instantly go out the window.On a separate note, this letter reminds me of the Unabomber's Manifesto. Among the extreme viewpoints, there are some things said that make complete sense to me.
NOTES AND COMMENTS : (1)>>THE LETTER has been in circulation on the Internet for nearly 22 years , people all of sudden just found out about it. With all of the attention on Palestine and Israel, the 2002 letter explicitly calls out US colonialism and violence in the region and also names Israel, the treatment of Palestinians, and US support of Israel as major motivators for Osama.There of course are other sections that discuss spreading sharia law globally lol. Some folks seem to have overlooked that. The bit on resource extraction and colonialism seems just as relevant as ever though. It’s an interesting read regardless of where you stand. Yeah this is why the “I’m not anti-Semitic, just anti-Zionist” defense is completely meaningless eta: Bin Laden also mentions in the letter that Arabs are the only original and pure Semites. Which further confirms that the above defense is not at all a refutation of hate for Jewish people; in fact it affirms it. I was reminded of him too and then thought of the billions of dollars Qatar has been spending on US universities, with little to no scrutiny. Doing amazing work at whitewashing both the Qatari regime, likeminded regimes in the region, and especially the Muslim Brotherhood movement which Qatar funds.The strange unholy alliance between far left socialists and communists and far right Islamists in various resistance movements around the Middle East is being actively exported to the west. (1.2)>>The American government created Bin Laden . Bin Laden is a product of the U.S. spy agencies, according to an article in the Tribune de Gen�ve by Richard Lab�vi�re, writer of the book Les dollars de la terreur, les �tats Unis et les islamistes.The first contact with Bin Laden was in 1979, when the new graduate from the Univ. of Jedah got in touch with the U.S. embassy in Ankara, Turkey. With the help of the CIA and the U.S. Armed Forces intelligence services he began to organize in the early 1980s and network to raise money and to recruit fighters for the Afghan mujahidins that were fighting the Soviets. He did this from the city of Peshawar in Pakistan, bordering Afghanistan.Part of these activities were financed with the production and sale of morphine, the base of heroin. This was the beginning of today Al Qaida (the base) network led by Bin Laden. Indeed the chickens are coming home to roost for the CIA and U.S. bosses."In all, the United States funneled more than $ 2 billion in guns and money to the mujaheddin during the 1980s, according to U.S. officials. It was the largest covert action program since World War II.Back then the US and Europe were fighting proxy wars against the USSR. We wanted to prevent them from extending their influence too far across the world. The overall idea was preventing the spread of communism. The Korean war, Vietnam war, and Afghanistan war are all proxy wars. We armed and trained Osama Bin Laden because we needed him and his forces to fight back against the Russians in Afghanistan.In the early 70s a pro Russian government gained power in Afghanistan, at which point the US started funding insurgent groups and basically started a proxy war that way. Russia was pulled in by the government to help fight against these foreign sponsored groups.Basically a classical proxy war with the US acting once again as the aggressor from all I can tell. "Bin Ladens group was trained and financed by CIA through Pakistani Intelligence. He used the money to recruit and train fighters for the war against the Soviets. This meant establishing operational bases across Afghanistan. The name Al Qaeda itself is Arabic for " the base".At the time Bin Laden was just a Saudi fighting against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. As far as the sketchy groups the CIA was dealing with then, he was down right respectable. At the time it would have been "morally questionable but expedient."(1.3)>>hardliners as well with their reliably jewish first worldview(with little room for arabs). I mean, I've heard of jewish anti-Zionists (not fake leftist jews, but actual hasids) who oppose the secular state of Israel, believe it was a sin to create the state before the emergence of the Mosiach. Have a state of Israel without building the Third Temple and so on. But I haven't met one of these folks in person, no.I basically don't think it's possible to be a secular (or non-Talmudic) anti-Zionist without being an antisemite - because that's just opposing the right to Jewish national self determination. (2)>> So his Letter to Americans . Answer: it went viral on tiktok. The hilarious thing about everyone shitting on tiktok is that it’s literally just what you get from capitalism. Why is tiktok more popular than YouTube shorts, facebook or insta stories etc? Because they’re giving people what they want and people are choosing to spend their time there rather than another of the other garbage brain rot apps (including TikTok).The story goes like this: TikTokers are “going viral” for sharing bin Laden’s arguments, and that is renewing calls to ban the app and feeding a recent fear that TikTok is indoctrinating Gen Z with pro-Hamas propaganda.But the letter’s spread also reflected the bedeviling realities of modern social media, where young people — many of whom were born after 9/11 — share and receive information on fast-paced smartphone apps designed to make videos go viral, regardless of their content.It also showed how efforts to suppress such information can backfire. Many of the videos on TikTok were posted after the British newspaper the Guardian, which had hosted a copy of bin Laden’s letter, removed it. Some TikTokers said the removal was proof of the letter’s wisdom and importance, leading them to further amplify it as a result. Censorship is the biggest threat to democracy, and it is absurd to censor this type of content... how else are we to understand our world?I think it is important for citizens of our country to see this content. The far-right will rant that new terrorist support will be generated, but I found listening to some of Bin Laden's interviews fascinating. Did I agree with all of his view points? Hardly - but he clearly wasn't a crazy, frothing madman. I could see how his views and writings could garner support in a region with a history of colonialism and occupation. That's what made him so dangerous. And in this age of social media trying to censor the content may actually increase interest. So let people see the truth, and they decide for themselves whether is it good or evil.(3)>>People are shocked that what he said is really relevant to the current situation in Gaza and they are taking that in how they will. In the letter, Bin Laden justifies al-Qaeda's terror attacks, alleging that US support for Israel and repression of Muslims around the world allow violence. Some users expressed agreement with Bin Laden's message and linked it to their rejection of Israel's war in Gaza. With all of the attention on Palestine and Israel, the 2002 letter explicitly calls out US colonialism and violence in the region and also names Israel, the treatment of Palestinians, and US support of Israel as major motivators for Osama. Americas response to 9/11 was a gross overreaction that played directly into Bin Laden's plan and which completely altered the course of history for the entire world. We would do well to try and understand who this man was, why he did what he did and how our pride and foolishness led us down a path that ultimately created hundreds of new Bin Ladens.Bin Laden's letter went viral at a time of significant division in the United States and worldwide over the Israel-Hamas war. There have been numerous protests in support of both Israel and the Palestinians throughout the country. Most recently, tens of thousands gathered in Washington for the March for Israel on Wednesday, following mass rallies in support of the Palestinians in October. (4)>>America teaches that this guy was just a story-book evil person that wanted to murder americans for no reason. Yeah, Bush made a series of spectacularly bad decisions (egged on by Cheney and his neocon droogs), and that's why we're still going to be fighting the Glorious War on Terrorism for years to come. Bin Laden kinda got his wish to ignite a war between the west and Islam.It's clear that his aim was economic, i.e. the US economy. He knew that militarily he had no chance against the US, but striking the WTC could cause long lasting economic consequences for the USA and Saudis. Not enough time has passed, but so far, his strategy seems--- searching for the right word--- seems successful. THE BUSH eulogy was to create a villain . A catalyst to start "forever wars" . Bush First, he ignored a string of increasingly shrill warnings about AQ, because "that was Clinton's thing." That someone was planning a big attack ,Then, when the attack did happen, he declared war and sent the military, pretty much the WORST thing he could have done. In the past, acts of terrorism against Americans at home or abroad were treated as criminal acts, and they sent the FBI, who had a decent track record of bringing the perps to justice...WITHOUT bombing entire villages because they looked shady to us.He also yanked the FBI off interrogation duty. The FBI knows how to interrogate people and get them to talk by engaging with them as human beings, but that wasn't brutal enough for Cheney, so he sent the CIA in to start torturing people. The flow of actionable intelligence shut off like a faucet, and the entire torture program never produced even ONE piece of actionable intelligence.Finally was the staggeringly ill-conceived and mismanaged invasion of Iraq. Cheney and his pals had been shopping that idea around various conservative think tanks in the 90s, and they finally saw their chance to put it into action.We are going to be paying for these mistakes in blood and treasure for decades to come.(5)>>Some in here are even pretending kids are adopting anti-semitic stances from bin ladens letters on tiktok. You never see this stuff on TikTok if you avoid the political videos. The algorithm shows you what you want to see, just fyi. The hashtag #lettertoamerica has amassed over 4.5 million views on TikTok. Despite the letter’s antisemitic language, some users have expressed agreement with its stance on the US military’s role in the Middle East and Palestinian statehood, without addressing its bigotry. Now became the locus of a particularly silly "kids these days" moral panic last week. It’s already been being spread like wildfire for the past 20 years on the internet, it’s definitely hitting mainstream soon. IT HAS BEEN PUBLIC FOR LIKE 20 YEARS NO ONE IS CENSORING IT! God they just want to have some huge conspiracy be right so desperately so they can make a tik tok about "finding the truth" to gain more followers it's actually really insanely pathetic, Young people always have a soft spot for impoverished and "victimized" peoples. No real analysis of the situation is done. If it was it would be pretty easy to identify that the reasons that the people who commit these atrocities are actually in the position they're in due to the practices they claim to be defending. He lays out what he thinks are the faults with America in that letter and every one of them is pretty much a defining characteristic of America. (6)>>I don't. I think the people behind 9/11 probably all died on 9/11. My question asks, "How and why did the '9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government' and 'jet fuel can't melt steel beams' conspiracy theories gain so much traction and prevalence in the years following 9/11?", to which the primary answer seems to be, "They didn't gain traction until the release of Fahrenheit 9/11 in 2004."Americans didn't care that 15 hijackers were from an "ally" country and also didn't care when evidence of that country's officials being involved was finally released years later.They pulled off quite the spectacle for the price of airfare tickets and 20 boxcutters.... Oh and my apologies for being sarcastic about the OFFICIAL NARRATIVE.. we all know that especially the Cheneys and pnacs and war industry would never do 'another pearl harbor' ( for those interested google pnac and " it will be incredibly difficult for pnac to implement a new american century, unless a pearl harbor type event happens") Probably a mixture of hubris, incompetence and negligence. However, to be fair, could anyone in America conceive of an attack on this country with the scope of what happened on 9/11? From things I've read, they weren't many people trying to warn about an attack here. The ones that did were pretty much brushed aside.
